hedwards: In other words, feminism isn't actually about equal rights, it's about advancing the rights of women. Glad you cleared that up, I was concerned that i was missing something.
The whole idea of a movement that's advancing women's rights is perverse. There's little or no incentive to keep those folks honest and having all those turncoat men advancing the cause is beyond sick.
TStael: I suspect you would also think unions advancing workers' rights and conditions is rather perverse! Why should anyone having a little principles and solidary be anything but hostile and bigoted, in truth, and only looking into their own interest??
Indeed, I think you are twisting htown1980's words on purpose, just because you do not agree. Can you do a little better, maybe?
I'm not twisting her words. I've quoted without editing what she said.
And that union thing is a load of bollocks that doesn't reflect anything I've said. I've worked union jobs for years and unions ultimately are good for everybody. Unions are better for members than non-members, but we don't toss people to the wolves the way that feminists toss men to the wolves.
Unions don't exploit the ignorance of members to harm non-members the way that feminists do.
hedwards: In other words, feminism isn't actually about equal rights, it's about advancing the rights of women. Glad you cleared that up, I was concerned that i was missing something.
The whole idea of a movement that's advancing women's rights is perverse. There's little or no incentive to keep those folks honest and having all those turncoat men advancing the cause is beyond sick.
htown1980: Did you seriously think feminism is about advancing the rights of men? Didn't the use of "fem" give it away?
Do you think it is fine for a movement to advance the rights of men in custody battles? Do you think that is perverse? I don't at all, because I recognise that in some areas men's rights need to be advocated (custody rights being one area) and in other areas women's rights need to be.
Your ignorance of the history of feminism is astonishing. Have you even read anything about that at all? The transformative movement was based on the notion that everybody was being oppressed by the gender roles assigned to children at birth. And yes, that includes men.
There used to be plenty of male feminist involved in the movement, and they used to be welcomed by female feminists as being an equal part to the solution. It wasn't about taking things from men and forcing us into a subservient position, it was about bringing back the yin to balance out all the social yang.
If you're not familiar with the transformative movement, the equal rights movement, the 3rd wave and radical feminist movements, then what right do you have to call yourself a feminist? And those are just the basics, there's plenty of other groups and I'm letting you off easy for not demanding that you know about more than those major groups.
Here's a hint, if you're too lazy to research a movement, do everybody a favor and keep your mouth shut while the adults talk. All you're doing is making feminists look stupid.
hedwards: Women being underpaid, rapists being male, domestic violence being primarily committed by men. Men controlling all the power etc., the whole movement is based on a series of tropes with little effort being made to assess the validity or applicability of any of them. There's no actual evidence to support any of those tropes, but feminists cling to them because admitting that men aren't solely responsible would cause them to lose out on fund raising opportunities.
Just today the local paper ran an article about a pair of women making a dating website to help women avoid creepy men. Never mind that there are ample creepy women out there and that desirable men are unlikely to be willing to put up with that shoddy treatment.
htown1980: I don't think that is a correct use of the word "trope".
Do you think the majority of rapists are women and the majority of domestic violence is committed by women?
Rapists it's hard to say, but it's well established that women make up half of the domestic violence offenders. Female rapists are difficult to make an assertion about because of the way that women attack men for owning up to having been raped, sexually assaulted or sexually abused by a woman.
The studies on domestic violence are clear and compelling and it's pretty much only feminists and women's rights activists that sweep that under the rug.
https://mkg4583.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/no-one-believed-me-domestic-violence-against-dads/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/05/20/us-men-too-suffer-domestic-violence-idUSPAT97046720080520 As far as the use of the word trope goes, I'm using it the standard fashion, even if I'm not bothering to fill in the details.
