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moonshineshadow: You don't want to know that. I did that calculation recently. And yeah, if you have been here for some time, trust me, you don't want to know the actual value ;-)
Naw, I do really. :) From what I've determined so far, my entire catalogue is worth around $4200 gross regular price at the time of purchase or acquisition, but I've only spent around $700-850 of actual money. That range is an estimate based on the range of exchange rates and other factors I do not yet know the details of for each transaction, but once I'm able to get all of the data out of GOG and then my credit card bills and paypal or any other payment methods I may have used, I can calculate either exact amounts or close estimates for every game purchased to date and get the real deal to the penny in both currencies.

Some folks (whether they're gamers or not) may balk at the idea of someone spending $500/1000/1500 on something like video games and it might even be easy to think that without thinking too deeply about it. The way I see it though, if someone only buys AAA games on release day or thereabouts and pays full retail price, they go for like $50-80 each or more depending on what game it is and what "edition" someone buys. Let's say $70 each as that's a nice average price rather reflective of AAA games these days. It's not difficult to think of someone buying anywhere from 2 or 3 AAA games per year to as many as 10 or more depending on their gaming habits. It doesn't seem like a lot to buy 2-10 games in terms of the number of games, but hell... that's like $150-700 or more just for up to 10 games! Some people would do that without even thinking about it much whether they were PC games or some console.

But games are just one source of entertainment. In fact they are the #1 biggest selling form of entertainment product in terms of revenue from what I understand, but there are other forms of entertainment too. How many people out there spend $50-150 per month every single month for cable TV and/or satellite and/or pay-per-view UFC or other fights, going to the theatre to watch movies, live sports events etc. They're all forms of entertainment that cost money and everyone spends money on entertainment products and services that they personally like and feel they get their money's worth from it.

For me, that's buying a nice library of video games mostly at super discount prices with the odd higher priced game from time to time. Another part of my spreadsheet project is figuring out the average price per game and the median as well as other statistics. From what I've been able to ballpark so far, the average price I pay for games is around $1.50 to $2 each, which is less than a cup of coffee at a coffee shop. For the average price of a few months of the average person's mobile phone bill (which I do not own), or their cable TV or satellite bill (which I do not subscribe to) I end up with a nice big library of video games both historical/nostalgic and new to satiate my entertainment needs. It's a real bargain and even $1000 spent over 5 years is peanuts for the thousands of hours of entertainment they contain! :)

So I fear not the totals that I will calculate eventually, it's all so cheap in my eyes that it's almost like piracy only without the illegal aspects. :)
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Tyrrhia: Oh, OK. I was under the impression that you wanted to find a workaround in a timely manner. Sorry! :\
Not specifically per se, however I did previously attempt to use emails to try to fill in the gaps and did get some information from them, but my spreadsheet is lacking some field values and I can't be certain every game is accounted for yet either in terms of redeemed games nor ones that are codes sitting in my account unredeemed. Emails did help a bit, but I've practically milked them as much as I can before and need the rest of the details from the GOGlimentors now. :)
FFS, the forum is fucking eating posts. Fix yer shit GOG.

FFS, the forum is fucking eating posts. Fix your shit GOG. I've had two posts eaten today in this thread similar to what happens when you first join the forum and can't post. Fucking annoying. No idea if this will get through or not either.
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Post edited September 09, 2016 by skeletonbow
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skeletonbow: FFS, the forum is fucking eating posts. Fix yer shit GOG.

FFS, the forum is fucking eating posts. Fix your shit GOG. I've had two posts eaten today in this thread similar to what happens when you first join the forum and can't post. Fucking annoying. No idea if this will get through or not either.
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Just give it a while. Post ending up first on a new page, may take a while to show up, or require other posts to be added before it does. In this case, seems to have just been a short while.
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FFS, now everything shows up. The forum code has got to be the most broken ass forum I've ever used on he entire Internet. I don't mean any disrespect to the developers if they happen to read that, but I'm giving my honest opinion of my personal experience without putting a candy coating on it. It is a horrible user experience. Extremely frustrating.
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Cavalary: Just give it a while. Post ending up first on a new page, may take a while to show up, or require other posts to be added before it does. In this case, seems to have just been a short while.
Thanks for the explanation. I trust what you're saying but I've been posting here for several years and never encountered this until this week. I dunno if it is something that just started happening or what but you kind of expect a service like this to get BETTER over time not worse, and it seems to get worse over time and then stay that way rather than get better.

It isn't going to happen, but I sometimes wish GOG would just take off the shelf forum project like phpBB or some other one that is extremely well deployed out there and just use that if they can't afford to pay people to update and maintain the code on a regular basis without having any other job responsibilities. The forum code seems to not be anyone's unique responsibility or isn't their highest responsibility if there is anyone who handles it.

Either use off the shelf software in that case, or open source the code and let the community fix bugs in it and improve it themselves. Sure, have someone to approve changes so it doesn't go off in some manner the company doesn't approve of, but at least give people the chance to fix things that annoy themselves which the company might not want to put a high priority on in their own grand scheme of things.

Having formally worked for years at a major OSS company, I can say that making your code available to the community to contribute to is a great way to have the software improve both in terms of bug fixes and stability as well as user contributed features and other things over time. A company can still run the show and choose what goes in or not, but to have something that obviously needs work on it and either not allocate resources into doing the work or being able to prioritize it or hire someone to do it, the best thing IMHO that can possibly be done is to go with off the shelf software or open source it. The pros far far outweigh the cons.
Post edited September 09, 2016 by skeletonbow
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skeletonbow:
It's regular occurence in high traffic threads or when the site is under high load, such as during sales and on the sales tracking and news threads in particular. In those cases it also comes paired with being thrown even several pages back after posting, but at least then it just takes a click to get back to the most recent page... Only that it may not actually contain the most recent posts.
Granted, was a bit odd to see it here and now, but as you say, it's just getting worse. Applies to many other things here (though I know you don't agree with most of that).

And yeah, they should either use some existing forum software or open source this, but hardly looks like it... Forum users are, after all, a tiny vocal minority and usually a bothersome one at that in terms of their plans, right?

... but while I'm here, seems like most avatars aren't showing up now anymore. A result of the "fix"?

... actually make that most images anywhere. Site actually acting as if under very high load.
Post edited September 09, 2016 by Cavalary
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Cavalary: It's regular occurence in high traffic threads or when the site is under high load, such as during sales and on the sales tracking and news threads in particular. In those cases it also comes paired with being thrown even several pages back after posting, but at least then it just takes a click to get back to the most recent page... Only that it may not actually contain the most recent posts.
Granted, was a bit odd to see it here and now, but as you say, it's just getting worse. Applies to many other things here (though I know you don't agree with most of that).
UGH, yes... I experience that "thrown several pages back" problem too and it is extremely annoying. It usually only occurs during Insomnia sales after I post a reply to someone. I end up having to click on the most recent page, go to my freshly posted comment, click on the arrow-circle linking back to the quote I'm replying to so I can continue on from where I left off. Equally aggravating.

It seems like the forums just get worse and worse over time as many have said. There was the avatar problem that stuck around forever which they claim is now fixed, but the average time for a problem being introduced until it is fixed often seems anecdotally like it is anywhere from 6 months to infinity. (Same thing with the bug in the order-history page).

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Cavalary: And yeah, they should either use some existing forum software or open source this, but hardly looks like it... Forum users are, after all, a tiny vocal minority and usually a bothersome one at that in terms of their plans, right?
You make a good point that forum users are a minority (we presume), but we're also all that anyone publicly really gets to see. It's not like we have no influence with them or what others out there see. GOG does respond to us often and does a great job a lot of the time too, and they deserve 10 pats on the back for the stuff they do awesome. But they sometimes deserve no pizza at other times either, and maybe to go stand in the corner with a book on their heads. :)

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Cavalary: ... but while I'm here, seems like most avatars aren't showing up now anymore. A result of the "fix"?

... actually make that most images anywhere. Site actually acting as if under very high load.
Weird, they're showing ok for me so far, but that's not proof of anything. Could be a CDN problem or some such perhaps. If there's a bonafide problem though I have full confidence that they'll fix it in 2 years because they've got our back. :)

Speaking of backs though... seriously, they're a great bunch of folks overall I think and sometimes ya feel like you'd like to take them all out for a round of beers and pizza, have some laughs and pat them on the back, after a few more beers - air some of your gripes and bitch at them for a while possibly also hearing a bit of the behind the scenes "other side of the story" to gain some understanding and perspective too, then buy another round of beers and pizza, then relax at the end of the evening gaming out with them or somesuch. :) Maybe something like that Seinfeld "Festivus" family tradition at dinner of "airing your grievances". LOL
Post edited September 09, 2016 by skeletonbow
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skeletonbow: You make a good point that forum users are a minority (we presume), but we're also all that anyone publicly really gets to see. It's not like we have no influence with them or what others out there see. GOG does respond to us often and does a great job a lot of the time too, and they deserve 10 pats on the back for the stuff they do awesome. But they sometimes deserve no pizza at other times either, and maybe to go stand in the corner with a book on their heads. :)
Eh, was referring to the discussions on other threads saying that.

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skeletonbow: Weird, they're showing ok for me so far, but that's not proof of anything. Could be a CDN problem or some such perhaps. If there's a bonafide problem though I have full confidence that they'll fix it in 2 years because they've got our back. :)
Seemed to last just a few minutes, but was weird.

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skeletonbow: Speaking of backs though... seriously, they're a great bunch of folks overall I think and sometimes ya feel like you'd like to take them all out for a round of beers and pizza, have some laughs and pat them on the back, after a few more beers - air some of your gripes and bitch at them for a while possibly also hearing a bit of the behind the scenes "other side of the story" to gain some understanding and perspective too, then buy another round of beers and pizza, then relax at the end of the evening gaming out with them or somesuch. :) Maybe something like that Seinfeld "Festivus" family tradition at dinner of "airing your grievances". LOL
Not me. My goodwill to them extended enough for a very, very tentative and limited new chance when they claimed to "get back to their roots" after the initial "good news" but ended about half a year later when they turned around on the turnaround and really opened the floodgates.

Anyway, so is 2 years a definite term then? Can we file it as definition of "soon (TM)"? :))
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Cavalary: ...
Anyway, so is 2 years a definite term then? Can we file it as definition of "soon (TM)"? :))
Definitely, but keep in mind I did not state which planet's definition of a year I was using as a base, that will be revealed at a later time. :)
Post edited September 09, 2016 by skeletonbow
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skeletonbow: In addition to archiving the order history local in a spreadsheet, another thing I'm doing with the data is figuring out exactly what I paid for each game over time in the currency it was paid in (USD or CAD), what the game's full retail price was at the time if it wasn't on sale, what the actual amount charged to my credit card was in CAD, and getting a running total of the total cost of the games over time at the time of purchase in USD regular price, CAD regular price with exchange rate based on my card purchases, USD sale price and CAD sale price, also factoring in the costs of GOG freebie promos, gifts and giveaways and other promotions. I'd like to see what the actual total cost of my library is in USD and CAD in terms of money spent and total value both at the time of purchase as well as current day prices depreciated. Also total value of free games acquired over time would be interesting to see out of curiosity as well.
Just so you know, you can pull a lot of data out of the orders page beyond what it shows you (actual prices paid for things (even gifts), the non discounted price at the time, probably the various currency prices too presumably) by digging into the javascript, or probably just looking at the raw JSON retrieved by the AJAX calls.
I know the orders page isn't working 100% for you but it might help with what you can see.
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adaliabooks: Just so you know, you can pull a lot of data out of the orders page beyond what it shows you (actual prices paid for things (even gifts), the non discounted price at the time, probably the various currency prices too presumably) by digging into the javascript, or probably just looking at the raw JSON retrieved by the AJAX calls.
I know the orders page isn't working 100% for you but it might help with what you can see.
It does not appear to retrieve the entire account history in one shot but on a per page basis, trying to load the problematic page results in an immediate internal server failure. I can see much more detailed data however although it would need parsing to be human digestible. Might be useful later on, but right now accessing the full history doesn't seem possible at all unless there's another way to get to it that doesn't also trigger a 500 Internal Server Error.
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adaliabooks: Just so you know, you can pull a lot of data out of the orders page beyond what it shows you (actual prices paid for things (even gifts), the non discounted price at the time, probably the various currency prices too presumably) by digging into the javascript, or probably just looking at the raw JSON retrieved by the AJAX calls.
I know the orders page isn't working 100% for you but it might help with what you can see.
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skeletonbow: It does not appear to retrieve the entire account history in one shot but on a per page basis, trying to load the problematic page results in an immediate internal server failure. I can see much more detailed data however although it would need parsing to be human digestible. Might be useful later on, but right now accessing the full history doesn't seem possible at all unless there's another way to get to it that doesn't also trigger a 500 Internal Server Error.
It's not a way around the error unfortunately (as it appears to fail to retrieve the JSON at all) but it might help with the cataloguing you intend to do with the info for the bits you can retrieve.
I made a quick script a while back that totalled up the value of my library and how much had actually been spent to buy it using the available info.
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adaliabooks: It's not a way around the error unfortunately (as it appears to fail to retrieve the JSON at all) but it might help with the cataloguing you intend to do with the info for the bits you can retrieve.
I made a quick script a while back that totalled up the value of my library and how much had actually been spent to buy it using the available info.
Yeah, I most likely will utilize that some time, it could prove very useful. Sadly, they need to fix the website first either way it seems. I'll nag them a bit from time to time about it but not too grumpy. :) Worst case, eventually if I get antsy about it I'll write up exactly the data I'd like to have and see if they could do an SQL query or something for me and dump it into a useful format for me. I wouldn't pressure them too hard for that, but they often can be quite helpful and go the extra mile too, which kinda makes up for sometimes when it looks like they may be spending all of their time playing No Man's Sky trying to figure out what the purpose of the game is or something hehe.
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moonshineshadow: Anyone else having the problem that they can't open page 4 of their order history? Other pages works fine but when I want to go to page 4 it says "No results found".
Please check if it works for you now.
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moonshineshadow: Anyone else having the problem that they can't open page 4 of their order history? Other pages works fine but when I want to go to page 4 it says "No results found".
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Johny.: Please check if it works for you now.
Nope. Still not working. When going to page 4 or searching for the order I still get the "No results found" thing.
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Johny.: Please check if it works for you now.
Woohoo! It works now! I've got 9 pages showing, all the filter boxes checked. I brought up the first page, then went one page at a time all the way through to page 9 without the usual error on page 2, then one page at a time all the way back to page 1 successfully. Thanks for fixing this (or pass my thanks on to whoever did)! Also, I'm not certain but it seems like the pages load faster as well.

Awesomesauce!

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moonshineshadow: Nope. Still not working. When going to page 4 or searching for the order I still get the "No results found" thing.
Give it another try now, it's possible there was some weird caching going on or somesuch. I suppose everyone that had the problem should clear it before it comes off the broken list just in case there are subtleties differing from case to case though. I'm going to go update my Mantis report and support ticket with my results, unless Johny beat me to it. :)
Post edited September 14, 2016 by skeletonbow
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moonshineshadow: Nope. Still not working. When going to page 4 or searching for the order I still get the "No results found" thing.
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skeletonbow: Give it another try now, it's possible there was some weird caching going on or somesuch.
Still broken.