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Posted December 26, 2014
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Tallima: GOG has a strong brand and if they lose that brand identity, then they'll be a direct Steam-clone. And then they'll die.

GOG doesn't survive by being big. It survives by being different.
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Crsldmc: Give this man a cookie, spot on opinion, totally agreed.

While I don't hate steam I dislike it on some spots, the hassle it gives when it comes to travelling, the fact that games are not as yours as they are in GOG, mostly immature community, and the stupid fact that I can't buy from them directly since my USD bank account is in the US and I live down in Venezuela, we have a exchange control here that hasn't help my country in any way, it made it poorer in fact, I can't buy with any other currency using my regular Venezuelan bank account.

GOG is clearly superior on the travelling side, you can play and download them anywhere, never ever had an issue buying from them, no DRM at all, freebies and a great community.
Spot on..+1
Posted December 26, 2014
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gunsynd: I agree of course you have the right to Purchase or join anything you wish.More Facts below....

A Person buys a 100 games at STEAM and gets BANNED, What happens?You lose Everything.You can't play,You have no STEAM CLIENT....

Same scenario at GOG,Tough.BUT YOU CAN STILL PLAY YOUR GAMES...
Steam doesn't outright ban users anymore, they restrict their accounts. That means you lose access to purchasing, gifting, trading, cd-key activation, and Steam Community access, but you can still use your account to play your games.
Posted December 26, 2014
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Time and time again, GOG has done something and then suffered a massive backlash from the community, for stuff they have explicitly said they weren't going to do in the past anyway.

The fact that this will be worked around within a matter of minutes is an obvious one, that they already know about, because they've explicitly stated it as reason DRM is pointless.

Listen to what he says here.. The things he says about DRM apply here.

1) Piracy (resellers) is part of the world
2) Some people just can't afford it at the full price.
3) Whatever we do, the game (codes) will be pirated (resold)

So I'm going to go with "no, they haven't".

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Again, it doesn't matter if it is fine for the vast majority of users. The moment it happens to one is the moment where a genuine user has suffered because of a ineffective defence.. like DRM. Exactly what GOG said they don't want (see video above).

EDIT: Providing they don't take down this video too, like they did the video where they say regional pricing is a rip off (not sure if it was this video and they renabled it or this is a different one. I'll post back if I can find it).

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The people who supported GOG when it started were fine with paying more to get what they wanted because of principles and values. GOG turning their back on those principles and values to make a buck is a perfectly valid reason to complain, because they could have done the same and saved a buck and pirated instead.

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Balance? :P
Post edited December 26, 2014 by xyem
Posted December 26, 2014
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gunsynd: I agree of course you have the right to Purchase or join anything you wish.More Facts below....

A Person buys a 100 games at STEAM and gets BANNED, What happens?You lose Everything.You can't play,You have no STEAM CLIENT....

Same scenario at GOG,Tough.BUT YOU CAN STILL PLAY YOUR GAMES...
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Pheace: Steam doesn't outright ban users anymore, they restrict their accounts. That means you lose access to purchasing, gifting, trading, cd-key activation, and Steam Community access, but you can still use your account to play your games.
I was recently threatened with a ban by a moderater.
Posted December 26, 2014
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xyem: Time and time again, GOG has done something and then suffered a massive backlash from the community, for stuff they have explicitly said they weren't going to do in the past anyway.

The fact that this will be worked around within a matter of minutes is an obvious one, that they already know about, because they've explicitly stated it as reason DRM is pointless.

Listen to what he says here.. The things he says about DRM apply here.

1) Piracy (resellers) is part of the world
2) Some people just can't afford it at the full price.
3) Whatever we do, the game (codes) will be pirated (resold)

So I'm going to go with "no, they haven't".

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xyem:
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xyem: Again, it doesn't matter if it is fine for the vast majority of users. The moment it happens to one is the moment where a genuine user has suffered because of a ineffective defence.. like DRM. Exactly what GOG said they don't want (see video above).

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xyem:
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xyem: The people who supported GOG when it started were fine with paying more to get what they wanted because of principles and values. GOG turning their back on those principles and values to make a buck is a perfectly valid reason to complain, because they could have done the same and saved a buck and pirated instead.

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xyem:
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xyem: Balance? :P
Well I guess then this is going to boil down to what can you personally live with... because I doubt it's going to change. Of the things that GOG has done, limiting gifting is like the furthest thing that matters to me, and I'm sure many others. I also think it's kind of silly to relate this to DRM but that's neither here nor there. If you really think about most of what GOG has done makes since, and normally the people I see complaining about are the ones who would rather GOG remain a niche small site for old games.
Post edited December 26, 2014 by user deleted
Posted December 26, 2014
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gunsynd: I was recently threatened with a ban by a moderater.
Since you mention moderator, then you're talking about a forum ban. That's unrelated to the rest of your Steam account.
Posted December 26, 2014
I've been dicked around by both $team and GOG.

Computer gaming is all an honor system and in these later years I've just decide to stop cry-babying whenever I got borked because it wasn't like I was all wings and halos either...

UPlay really helps dicking up $team Royal. I had bought all the DLC for Child of Light from $team only to realize Greenman had sold me a Uplay key for the base game.

No one wanted to make good of it.

Recently I've been playing free Ubi Wii games and I don't own a Wii.

So it's all give and take.

No one is being angelically honest or dotting all of their I's
Post edited December 26, 2014 by carnival73
Posted December 26, 2014
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gunsynd: I was recently threatened with a ban by a moderater.
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Pheace: Since you mention moderator, then you're talking about a forum ban. That's unrelated to the rest of your Steam account.
Okay Thanks for the info...+1
Post edited December 26, 2014 by gunsynd
Posted December 26, 2014
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And the same is true for DRM as there are far more people who don't care about DRM than there are that do. By a large margin.

If GOG operated on the policy of "well, most people won't care anyway, let's do it", we will get DRM games here too based on that.

People who care about DRM tend to be the same people who actually back up their data. It starts after you get nailed by it.
Posted December 26, 2014
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xyem: And the same is true for DRM as there are far more people who don't care about DRM than there are that do. By a large margin.

If GOG operated on the policy of "well, most people won't care anyway, let's do it", we will get DRM games here too based on that.

People who care about DRM tend to be the same people who actually back up their data. It starts after you get nailed by it.
Not true, DRM matters very much, especially to PC gamers... there is just a level that we will accept, and most find Steam to be acceptable. GOG was also founded on the notion of DRM free games... not the ability to gift. So saying people wouldn't care about DRM is a crazy.
Posted December 26, 2014
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Steam only works in offline mode if you switch it to it while it is online[1]. Therefore, if you don't run it in offline mode most of the time, it is effectively the same as always-on DRM as their servers suddenly becoming inaccessible (whether on your end or theirs) results in you not being able to play your games (or most of them).

EDIT: [1] according to the official documentation. Offline mode doesn't even work for me (switching to it causes Steam to exit due to not being able to connect to the Steam servers. Yeah.. not sure how that works either).

EDIT EDIT: "switching to it causes Steam to exist" hahaha, if only :(

And I'm pretty sure that style of DRM is regarded as the second worst (the worst being video of the game is streamed to you e.g. OnLive).
Post edited December 27, 2014 by xyem
Posted December 27, 2014
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xyem: Steam only works in offline mode if you switch it to it while it is online[1]. Therefore, if you don't run it in offline mode most of the time, it is effectively the same as always-on DRM as their servers suddenly becoming inaccessible (whether on your end or theirs) results in you not being able to play your games (or most of them).

EDIT: [1] according to the official documentation. Offline mode doesn't even work for me (switching to it causes Steam to exit due to not being able to connect to the Steam servers. Yeah.. not sure how that works either).

EDIT EDIT: "switching to it causes Steam to exist" hahaha, if only :(

And I'm pretty sure that style of DRM is regarded as the second worst (the worst being video of the game is streamed to you e.g. OnLive).
Nope, just shut my network down, logged into steam.. and steam kicked me to the offline mode. Still allows me to play all my single player games (at least ones that don't have the ubistore or any OTHER DRM attached to them).
They did fix this awhile back. Anyone saying otherwise needs to update steam from.. about 2-3 years ago.
Posted December 27, 2014
Meh. Steam sucks. GOG, so far, does not. Desura also sucks.

Why?

Effectively require a client to access my game regardless of DRM etc. So even if you do not buy DRM you still have what is or could be spyware and is, in both cases without doubt, buggy trash regardless of platform software installed on your system.

Steam makes claims they do not do this or that. Funny how my pfSense firewall pfblocker and snort rules constantly catch Steam access from my windows box even after steam was uninstalled.

DRM, regardless of your "feelings" about it, is the authors choice and I not only understand that but honor it. I honor it by no longer buying the software because it's a headache. I buy games for entertainment. I have to work on IT systems fifty plus hours a week. I don't want to come home only to be required to do it again for my entertainment. I can't even play Skyrim any more, the game was stolen from me by Steams constant destruction of the software. After the seventh or eighth time, I have lost count, of a full re-installation I gave up. I reclaimed the space, removed steam and never looked back. (Note: I will never buy another Bethesda game again and I am a twentish year veteran of Bethesda games.)

I am on GOG not because of the DRM free though, as noted above. It is only one of many facets. I am here because the other systems cause grief for the very thing they are supposed to be serving. The customer. Steam and Desura are kind of like the snobby restaurant or night club. You still pay the same but they are going to perform a back ground check and stick an anal probe in you before you can order a drink.


And as a side note, if GOG were to force a client overseer, for any reason, I would be gone from here as well.
Post edited December 27, 2014 by iamnan
Posted December 27, 2014
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xyem: Steam only works in offline mode if you switch it to it while it is online[1]. Therefore, if you don't run it in offline mode most of the time, it is effectively the same as always-on DRM as their servers suddenly becoming inaccessible (whether on your end or theirs) results in you not being able to play your games (or most of them).

EDIT: [1] according to the official documentation. Offline mode doesn't even work for me (switching to it causes Steam to exit due to not being able to connect to the Steam servers. Yeah.. not sure how that works either).

EDIT EDIT: "switching to it causes Steam to exist" hahaha, if only :(

And I'm pretty sure that style of DRM is regarded as the second worst (the worst being video of the game is streamed to you e.g. OnLive).
I haven't used Steam in a while, but Steam always kicked me into offline mode when no connection was present. But offline mode is known to be buggy, so I'd say it's more a bug than DRM. Steam has DRM sure, but most in the PC community find it acceptable compared to any other forms of DRM currently being used.
Posted December 27, 2014
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USERNAME:xyem#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:116#Q&_^Q&Q#Steam only works in offline mode if you switch it to it while it is online[1]. Therefore, if you don't run it in offline mode most of the time, it is effectively the same as always-on DRM as their servers suddenly becoming inaccessible (whether on your end or theirs) results in you not being able to play your games (or most of them).

EDIT: [1] according to the official documentation. Offline mode doesn't even work for me (switching to it causes Steam to exit due to not being able to connect to the Steam servers. Yeah.. not sure how that works either).

EDIT EDIT: "switching to it causes Steam to exist" hahaha, if only :(

And I'm pretty sure that style of DRM is regarded as the second worst (the worst being video of the game is streamed to you e.g. OnLive).#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:116#Q&_^Q&Q#
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There wouldn't be millions of active gamers per day if the pc community didn't accept some form of DRM.
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