Posted April 27, 2012
spinefarm
Old timer
Registered: Dec 2011
From United Kingdom
Sebek
Burarum
Registered: Dec 2009
From Finland
Posted April 27, 2012
Syndicate if someone's feeling generous....Had this stupid error on my bank account dont know what the hell is wrong with it, though i was able to buy Lands of lore 1 & 2... <___<
Gazoinks
Is an AI
Registered: Dec 2011
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012
Here's my current GoG wishlist if there are any god-like philanthropists feeling generous. Please PM me:
-Heroes Of Might And Magic 3: Complete
-Freespace 2
-Psychonauts (I realize never having played this makes me a terrible person and I apologize)
-Zork: Grand Inquisitor
-The Longest Journey
-Alone in The Dark 1, 2, & 3
-The Witcher
-Myst V
-Dark Fall: The Journal
-Legend of Grimrock
-Scratches Director Cut (In case you can't tell by now, I want to get into some classic horror games. ;))
-Syberia
Well, so much for keeping it short...
-Heroes Of Might And Magic 3: Complete
-Freespace 2
-Psychonauts (I realize never having played this makes me a terrible person and I apologize)
-Zork: Grand Inquisitor
-The Longest Journey
-Alone in The Dark 1, 2, & 3
-The Witcher
-Myst V
-Dark Fall: The Journal
-Legend of Grimrock
-Scratches Director Cut (In case you can't tell by now, I want to get into some classic horror games. ;))
-Syberia
Well, so much for keeping it short...
Post edited April 28, 2012 by Gazoinks
PhilAMB029
New User
Registered: Nov 2010
From Philippines
Posted April 27, 2012
Guess whats on sale... Crusader: No Remorse :)
NameGoo
Go RedBlacks!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Canada
Posted April 28, 2012
Gazoinks
Is an AI
Registered: Dec 2011
From United States
Posted April 28, 2012
Thanks a lot to NameGoo. :D
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012
Why is chain gifting ok, but trading not?
To me, gifting means you want to please someone by giving something they want. It's different from donating, it's different from trading. If gave you something for nothing, and didn't care if you would enjoy it or not or what you would do with it, well, I don't think that could be classified as gifting, more like a donation. If I gave you something purely out of interest, like in exchange for something back, that would be trading. The act of gifting, in my opinion, means I'm willing to depart with something of value to me (money) to make someone happy, which means I DO care if the receiver is going to enjoy it or not.
With that in mind, imagine that your friend's birthday coming up, and you want to gift him something. To make sure you're going to give something he actually wants, you ask him exactly what he wants. He asks for a dog. You give him a dog, and what does he do? He sells the dog to obtain profit. Would you be happy about it? I know I wouldn't.
Now to be more specific about your question: what I said to him was exactly what I said: that he shouldn't feel entitled to receive something. People have their own reasons to gift, most don't it just because they want to burn money or something. I said to him that if he think the thread was dead, then why not gift something himself? Not to encourage people to trade, but to encourage people to gift! To encourage the spirit of gifting, of wanting to make people happy. I don't know why people gift, but my guess is because they enjoy seeing someone happy with something they wanted. Trading is a totally different thing, you aren't exactly trying to make someone happy, you just want to make a good deal, mainly to benefit yourself. Do you get it now? It's different.
darknath
hi
Registered: Oct 2011
From Denmark
Posted April 28, 2012
Trading is a totally different thing, you aren't exactly trying to make someone happy, you just want to make a good deal, mainly to benefit yourself. Do you get it now? It's different.
like for my birthday if i get a gift from my mother, and i asked for clothes, but then she gives me this horrible pink cardigan thing with a flower motif or something..
i mean, i still very much appreciate the gift from her, and am very glad she gave it.. the cardigan just isn't my style - i'd rather take it down to the shops and exchange it for something i'd actually wear, instead of it being tucked away at the very very VERY bottom of my sock drawer or something, and keep it without it ever getting used <- now that's a waste!
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012
Trading is a totally different thing, you aren't exactly trying to make someone happy, you just want to make a good deal, mainly to benefit yourself. Do you get it now? It's different.
And you must be blind or something. I have done several competitions for others to win things, and also personal gifting. I like to do trades to save money thats all.
If you think i'm evil for it, then whatever.
I have no problems with the principle of trading, I just don't like people trading gifts I give. I would rather it go to someone who actually wants it. If there was nothing interesting in this sale to you, you could have just waited for a sale for a game you actually wanted, like I said you could do.
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012
I have no problems with the principle of trading, I just don't like people trading gifts I give. I would rather it go to someone who actually wants it. If there was nothing interesting in this sale to you, you could have just waited for a sale for a game you actually wanted, like I said you could do.
So anyway, i had the code for nox, and bought a few other items to trade. I managed to find darknath who was very nice and agreed to trade my items for one game that i requested.
Unfortunately scriptbr reckoned i "betrayed him" for trading a code, and redeemed nox himself......meaning i looked like a fool for not keeping my end of the bargain with darknath. Scriptbr also acted like he was some sort of close friend or something, I dont know scriptbr, so what is he doing this for?
And so scriptbr got even more free stuff from me for nothing, and caused me grief also. Thanks for that......!
"gameon, I saw that you didn't redeem the game and was trying to trade it away. I thought you actually wanted to play it! It wasn't supposed so you could just use it in as a trading offer. I feel like you took advantage of me. Because of that, I decided to redeem the gift for myself. Maybe in the future I'll gift you something else - something you actually want to play."
And then you said:
[i]"i thought you wanted to give me something back for giving you something.
I always let people have things to trade, and YOU could have traded your code.
The only person betrayed here is me, because you had those codes from the humble bundle from me.
You have seriously annoyed me over this. Thanks for nothing." [/i]
And then I said:
[i] "The humble bundles you payed less than $1 for? If you wish I can give you this one and the next, but I won't pay more than one dollar for them.
I was annoyed too, because I thought people gifted here because they actually wanted to play games, and not just trade them. Yes, I wanted to give you something back for giving something, but in a "I want to give you a game you'll enjoy" and not in a "I want to give you three dollars so you can use it for whatever".
I guess I should have communicated better with you. Maybe redeeming it wasn't the best thing I could do, but waking up and seeing that really didn't make me happy." [/i]
gameon:
[i] "I got those bundle as part of a trade with someone else anyway. I have traded things of different value with people.
Plus read this: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/win_a_prize_world_cup/page1
See i said people can do what they like with them?
If you'd have let me know "i have to redeem it" i would have done. But you just said "would you like a promo game". Sure i picked one because i wanted to use it towards a game.
I'm sorry if i upset you because of this misunderstanding. But you have made me look like a fool to the person i dealt with. That didnt make me happy.
Perhaps its a language barrier or something. Again if you'd have said i had to claim it, i would have done. But its too late now. Lets just agree to disagree, and move on. Theres nothing more to say." [/i]
Then me:
"Okay, thinking back maybe I shouldn't have redeemed it. It goes against my idea of gifting, though, since gifting, donating and trading are all different things to me. I'm sorry that I made you look like a fool, I send the message right away after redeeming it, and you wasn't the only upset. But I agree that we should not stir things up more and just move on."
So, why am I quoting our conversation? First, because you brought this for public eyes for whatever reason and now people need to know exactly what happened so they don't interpret things differently. Second, because I already said my answer to many of your inquires.
I wasn't expecting you to give me the humble bundles, but I appreciated it, sure. But the truth is, you payed less than 1 dollar for them. I won't make assumptions, but it's possible you could have payed as low as 1 cent for each. So I don't know exactly what you are complaining. Like I already said, I can give you the next 2 humble bundles if you wish, but I won't pay more than you payed for them.
I was upset when I saw you posting on the classifieds thread, yes, because of everything I already said. I had problems when gifting games before, and no, I don't appreciate these kind of things.
I didn't act like a close friend and I don't know why you are saying that. Should I not act friendly, then? Maybe it's true what they say, people in Britain are more cold. Nevertheless, I just wanted to gift you something for having gifting me.
To end this, I already said I was sorry that I made you "look like a fool". It's was bad timing, unfortunately. And I'm not 100% sure I should have redeemed it. Still, I'm fed up of people disregarding the gifts they receive. Maybe I simply should stop gifting.
Post edited April 28, 2012 by scriptbr
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012
I got the bundles from ZPAVELZ in a trade. You appreciated it, why do you have a go at the price then? No assumptions...but you guess the price....contradictions galore.
I said you COULD have payed as low as 1 cent for them, not that you payed that. Look gameon, if you want to continue this conversation, let's do it by PM, ok? We're cluttering this topic with our discussion.
Post edited April 28, 2012 by scriptbr
ZPavelZ
GOGRULZ
Registered: Feb 2012
From Russian Federation
Posted April 28, 2012
I see matters getting a little out of hands here.
I understand why someone would feel sad seeing someone else giving away his gift (however, I think it is also something that one can encounter unless he/she specifies that it can not be done). For me gifts are gifts, I would like people to use them themselves, but I would not go as far as taking them back, if I see someone doing something I do not like with their gift (dog example is irrelevant - as it is a living creature - I am talking about "things"). After all that is what gifts are for for me - they are given away with no strings attached (unless I decide to specify otherwise).
Yes the Bundles probably were from me, I do not remember which of the trades was it. If someone has some question about those, they can PM me.
I understand why someone would feel sad seeing someone else giving away his gift (however, I think it is also something that one can encounter unless he/she specifies that it can not be done). For me gifts are gifts, I would like people to use them themselves, but I would not go as far as taking them back, if I see someone doing something I do not like with their gift (dog example is irrelevant - as it is a living creature - I am talking about "things"). After all that is what gifts are for for me - they are given away with no strings attached (unless I decide to specify otherwise).
Yes the Bundles probably were from me, I do not remember which of the trades was it. If someone has some question about those, they can PM me.
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012
I understand why someone would feel sad seeing someone else giving away his gift (however, I think it is also something that one can encounter unless he/she specifies that it can not be done). For me gifts are gifts, I would like people to use them themselves, but I would not go as far as taking them back, if I see someone doing something I do not like with their gift (dog example is irrelevant - as it is a living creature - I am talking about "things"). After all that is what gifts are for for me - they are given away with no strings attached (unless I decide to specify otherwise).
Yes the Bundles probably were from me, I do not remember which of the trades was it. If someone has some question about those, they can PM me.
Post edited April 28, 2012 by scriptbr
ZPavelZ
GOGRULZ
Registered: Feb 2012
From Russian Federation
Posted April 28, 2012
a100Axolotls
New User
Registered: May 2009
From Brazil
Posted April 28, 2012