Vainamoinen: Some of the folks here have been shamed to their underpants after they had hyped "The Sarkeesian Effect" here for a year. But most of those are long gone. One of the greatest fuckwits (whom hardly anyone even liked, even though of course his stances were almost never attacked in this outrage team effort) even left over the shame, to my knowledge.

Vainamoinen: No, he didn't. Cole said that Jordan Owen "generally promotes ideas that I consider as hateful as rape, slavery, genocide". Which can quite easily be said about Owen, sadly. Look around, the peeps here know, that's why they have to play the disassociation game. So you're being off topic in talking about Owen in a gamergate thread, son. Some of the folks here have been shamed to their underpants after they had hyped "The Sarkeesian Effect" here for a year. But most of those are long gone. One of the greatest fuckwits (whom hardly anyone even liked, even though of course his stances were almost never attacked in this outrage team effort) even left over the shame, to my knowledge.

I personally don't consider Owen a "bad man". He's troubled, unstable, not very bright, and completely oblivious as to the consequences of his hateful actions. He wanted to be one of the great anti-feminist outrage incinerators "from the left" operating from his bathtub and, surprise, only found collaborators in Trump supporters. He has actively participated in an alt-right documentary about a white supremacist enemy concept together with ... well. A nazi. Great for Owen that he had that final fallout with the nazi eventually, quick congratulatory handshake here, but the slander movie that he eventually made anyway will absolutely effectively keep him out of making any more "documentaries" about his favorite games, at least those that comprise interviews with his favorite game designers. As I formerly said, Owen is unfortunately not very bright. He seems to favor traditional adventure games. And that is, naturally, a domain in which his stances, as I formerly demonstrated, are hitting a brick wall. The best storytellers have long since understood that the call for more diversified protagonists is a call for more creativity, not for restrictions of any kind.

Owen's idol game designers hate him. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but may ignite a little spark in that cobweb covered light bulb over his head.

I do hope Owen can grow and make a living in his musical endeavours. His 'documentaries' can fuck off. No one is funding that overpriced nonsense anyway.

Looking forward to hear from you what company you're going to "boycott" based on Corey Cole's facebook post.

Vainamoinen: Still not convinced that gamergate is a hate movement that only serves to damage the video game industry?

Vainamoinen: Read the posts on this page.

Amidst the literal dehumanisation and the death wishes that users always readily supply while the thread itself never gets closed because of it, self-proclaimed "veteran game developers" whom no one has ever heard from before, with 5 patreon backers and 11$ a month become the new heroes while actual veteran game developers like Tim Schafer are scolded for their association with what basically are neither new nor radical basic feminist ideas.

The movement is so pathetic now that it has to dig out its very own massive embarassments, just because very few of the former gamergate supporting "celebrities" haven't in the meantime turned out to be Trump-supporting alt-right nazis (and/or now live with their mom. Or serve six months in prison for assault). Reentrance for e.g. Jordan Owen, whose cooperation with Davis Aurini has been perfect laughing stock right until it "came out", with the crowning achievement the movie theatre premiere of Owen's version of their "documentary", which no one visited.

Vainamoinen: <Cut by Gunn>

Not sure how old you guys are, but I grew up with Tim's and Cole's games. And basically the lead devs whose games I love the most, from Tim Schafer, Ron Gilbert, Tom Hall to Ragnar Tørnquist, all think that your gamergate shenannigans are plainly shit. And I don't think that's a coincidence, because I know that you always communicate your values along with the stories you tell.

Vainamoinen: No, he didn't. Cole said that Jordan Owen "generally promotes ideas that I consider as hateful as rape, slavery, genocide". Which can quite easily be said about Owen, sadly. Look around, the peeps here know, that's why they have to play the disassociation game. So you're being off topic in talking about Owen in a gamergate thread, son. Some of the folks here have been shamed to their underpants after they had hyped "The Sarkeesian Effect" here for a year. But most of those are long gone. One of the greatest fuckwits (whom hardly anyone even liked, even though of course his stances were almost never attacked in this outrage team effort) even left over the shame, to my knowledge.

I personally don't consider Owen a "bad man". He's troubled, unstable, not very bright, and completely oblivious as to the consequences of his hateful actions. He wanted to be one of the great anti-feminist outrage incinerators "from the left" operating from his bathtub and, surprise, only found collaborators in Trump supporters. He has actively participated in an alt-right documentary about a white supremacist enemy concept together with ... well. A nazi. Great for Owen that he had that final fallout with the nazi eventually, quick congratulatory handshake here, but the slander movie that he eventually made anyway will absolutely effectively keep him out of making any more "documentaries" about his favorite games, at least those that comprise interviews with his favorite game designers. As I formerly said, Owen is unfortunately not very bright. He seems to favor traditional adventure games. And that is, naturally, a domain in which his stances, as I formerly demonstrated, are hitting a brick wall. The best storytellers have long since understood that the call for more diversified protagonists is a call for more creativity, not for restrictions of any kind.

Owen's idol game designers hate him. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but may ignite a little spark in that cobweb covered light bulb over his head.

I do hope Owen can grow and make a living in his musical endeavours. His 'documentaries' can fuck off. No one is funding that overpriced nonsense anyway.

Looking forward to hear from you what company you're going to "boycott" based on Corey Cole's facebook post.

Dismember77777: If its good who cares.

Vainamoinen: No, he didn't. Cole said that Jordan Owen "generally promotes ideas that I consider as hateful as rape, slavery, genocide".

Dismember77777: Would still like to know what exactly a "white supremacist" is

Dismember77777: Would still like to know what exactly a "white supremacist" is

Dismember77777: I disagree with all of us being unique/ pretty sure the majority of the human race is worthless.

WBGhiro: I think we were all 14 once.

WBGhiro: I think we were all 14 once.

RWarehall: Well, if you listen to the Democrats, they are all those who voted for Trump...

But to be serious, there certainly are people and groups who don't want "non-whites" in their neighborhoods or in their governments and who have a rather negative opinion of anyone not like them. They are a small minority, not half the country as some people want everyone to believe. If they were as populous as some claim, how does anyone explain how Obama was elected two terms in a row?

Rusty_Gunn: We're all "birth survivors".

Zabohad: The underlined part is good example to illustrate* what I meant by "missing nuances" in politics.
There is general consensus about HOW was Obama elected: the official voting results were made public and are mostly uncontested.
HOW CAME Obama was elected, WHY the elections ended the way they ended, I mean WHAT was the deciding factor in those elections is open to interpretation. Here you get millions of unique opinions held by millions of unique people, and some of them wildly different. Some of those explanations are backed by hundred pages long political analysis, while some others are very simple in content:
- It was show of God's Will (and that's all you need to know)
- It was show of Social Progress (and that's all you need to know)
- the voting machines was rigged by <insert world conspiracy group name>
- it was result of deep mental manipulati... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

Rhetorical question: But why it is so important to "convert" others to our own opinion why things happen - or at least silence them - if we generally agree that they happen?
Answer: This is open to interpretation.
...and we are back on the square one.

RWarehall: It's very similar to Anita's claim of finding sexism everywhere. Which she does through poor logic and exaggeration.