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Crosmando: Wow, so it got released but it's very buggy? After 24 years of development, I'm going to have to say that Cleve isn't a very good programmer.
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thomq: Uhm, that's every computer engineer everywhere… Which is why I discourage people from buying a computer for themselves, because even computer engineers have trouble handling computers no matter how many years of experience. Complexity on top of complexity on top of complexity…

They oughta just get rid of operating systems and applications, that paradigm has never worked without problems and gets worse the more they add to it. Great job security, though. Companies pay computer engineers to solve problems with computers which then become problems, and then pay the computer engineers again to solve the new problems created by the old solutions. So, people should never buy computers, only companies can afford to have them.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Instead of solving the problem, you're creating an even greater problem. The problem you've identified is that the capitalist market requires infinite growth to be sustainable. Your proposed solution is to kill a massive portion of the electronic consumer goods market, shutting down billions of dollars worth of interrelated industries in order to, what, make programs more efficient?

What's weirder is that you only seem to care about the health and efficiency of computer programs and totally disregard the health and efficiency of society itself. It would make more sense to talk about communal computers built and maintained by a radically different mode of production.

Every single major industry is ass-backwards because neoliberalism itself is ass-backwards. It puts the cart before the horse in all things. Even your proposed solution works by the same Alice in Wonderland logic. Instead of identifying and eliminating the core problem or designing something from the ground-up to serve a specific purpose, everything becomes a rube goldberg machine that sets out to do one thing, then gets patched and repatched until it does another, then patched again until it does nothing well, we all end up morbidly obese, our cities end up a sprawling, convoluted mess, our children end up shooting each other, corporations burn a trillion dollars in order to sell the ash for pennies, and our government constantly tries to rip itself apart and kill everyone.
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morrowslant: Confirming the above post.
It is amazing what 2017 has brought so far.
we live in a golden age I tell ya!
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thomq: From the video linked on its page, someone named kingdragon plays for about an hour. In the beginning area there's a pedestal of sorts named the "Cornerstone of Hyperborea". Perhaps a homonym for "hyperbole"? Its description:

This stone was the first ever laid by the ancient Neanderthal builder known only in legends to scribes as "Clevius Procrastinus, The Idiot."

The inscription reads "This will be finished probably in around three months or so. Maybe four, tops."
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thomq: Rather appropriate joshing of itself.
Not sure if it was intentional or just accidental, but Hyperborea is actually from Greek mythology.
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adaliabooks: Seriously... how the hell is it supposed to have taken this guy twenty years to make this?
It looks like a five year old could have put it together in an hour in Unity or Gamemaker...
My guess is that he was trying to write it all in a lower-level language like C with tons of hacks and shortcuts hardcoded into the program. Basically an unmaintainable mess that had to be thoroughly scrubbed clean every year. At least that's the kind of madness I would expect from someone who is dedicated for over two decades to keep this joke of a game running.

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thomq: They oughta just get rid of operating systems and applications, that paradigm has never worked without problems and gets worse the more they add to it.
Right, let's all instead write software directly in assembly for each possible hardware combination individually. Then the system requirements will be an entire book that's sold separately.
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Well, it's got lots of bugs, but Cleve appears to be fixing them on the fly.

Some people are really liking it.

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If it comes to GOG, I'm buying it, full price.
INCLINE x1 !!!!!!
I've been playing the game for the last hours and I'm loving it. Many fans of old-school CRPGs would certainly buy it if it was sold here.

Cleve has stated that he and GOG have been having talks for years, concerning selling the game here. But he'll only sell it on GOG after it's 100% stable and bug-free.
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karnak1: I've been playing the game for the last hours and I'm loving it. Many fans of old-school CRPGs would certainly buy it if it was sold here.

Cleve has stated that he and GOG have been having talks for years, concerning selling the game here. But he'll only sell it on GOG after it's 100% stable and bug-free.
May I ask what you like about it? I've watched a lets play and it looks (and sounds) terrible to me, although other than Might and Magic III, I'm not a huge fan of first person turn based RPGs so maybe I am biased.
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karnak1: I've been playing the game for the last hours and I'm loving it. Many fans of old-school CRPGs would certainly buy it if it was sold here.

Cleve has stated that he and GOG have been having talks for years, concerning selling the game here. But he'll only sell it on GOG after it's 100% stable and bug-free.
i am 34 as of this moment, and i suspect we'll see it here when i'm well into middle age. lets hope they can work something out sooner. :D
So I never even heard of this game until it was released on steam but it looks like everything I love about old games. Hoping it comes here because I won't get it on steam
Apparently Cleve is often confused with honest Abe nowadays,

From Cleveland on the Steam forums when asked if anyone actually got to the new section beyond the SuperDemo: "So, I don't know if you know anything about Asperger's Syndrome but you won't be able to find a psychologist who ever uses the word "liar" when talking about them. You may hear them called fools, jackasses, hopeless idiots and born losers but "liar" is found nowhere in the literature at all. So if I tell you there is essentially another 400 hours once you leave the Avian Mountains, maybe it's hopelessly buggy (it isn't) and boring (it isn't) and less complex (it's actually much more complex) but you can rest assured there is an awful lot in the game than not even the original beta testers who completed it with all the bugs ever saw. Since those beta testers finished Grimoire in 2008 I have added so much to those areas I am sure even they will be astonished. The narrative is very dense right to the end of the game and there are tons of regions which have much more to do and explore than you find in Village of Crowl."

I guess I misunderstood the part where he claimed to have sent a full refund to the backers as he falsely converted our status to refunded to block IndieGoGo comments without refunding anything was just his Asperger's acting up. Then again after a lengthy support ticket and where he gives the USD refund in AUD minus PayPal fees (~70% of what I contributed), all the while boasting of giving full refund was again just his Asperger's. Then finally in defense he basically argues he could have screwed my out of the whole refund since IndieGoGo is for scams, so I guess he still isn't a liar just the Asperger's. LOL.

Best part is that several noticed the original release grimoire.exe was listed as "Grimoire Demo Version", but I guess he wised up and changed that in the next hotfix to "Grimoire Steam Release". Can't confirm since even though I am owed more money than the basic IndieGoGo donation for the digital game, neither I nor any IndieGoGo backers have keys yet so I rely on secondhand comments from the steam forums before he sanitized the thread.

Be interesting to see if the reception changes after the 10-15hr mark...
Post edited August 06, 2017 by Malichite
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yogsloth: If it comes to GOG, I'm buying it, full price.
Well, you'd have to. Because as was mentioned before, it's never ever going to go on sale for any reason. He doesn't want anyone but the most hardcore neanderthals playing his game, so he's keeping the price point high to keep the unwashed masses out. Those poor sods will have to cough up $40 if they want to hear those delicious "retro" sound effects.
A newly created Twitch account by the name "texasarcane", which might or might not be Cleve, popped up in a Twitch streamers Chat and was... charming.
Said Twitch streamer had been streaming for about 6 hours at that time and had trouble finding the solution to something at that point of the game.

IF it was Cleve this is pretty interesting behaviour towards a streamer who bought his game and, until that point, was even enjoying it.
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Are there any similar games on Gog like Grimoire ?
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Painted_Doll: off topic

Are there any similar games on Gog like Grimoire ?
Forgotten Realms - The Archives - Collection One:
https://www.gog.com/game/forgotten_realms_the_archives_collection_one

Forgotten Realms: The Archives - Collection Three:
https://www.gog.com/game/forgotten_realms_the_archives_collection_three

Legend of Grimrock
https://www.gog.com/game/legend_of_grimrock

Legend of Grimrock 2
https://www.gog.com/game/legend_of_grimrock_2

I strongly recommend both Legend of Grimrock games.