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crazy_dave: read on gamespot that they are releasing on Steam but no word if there will be a GOG release
http://cdn.thatssotrue.com/2011/11/24/thatssotrue.com_528_1329514201.gif

I guess by now I should learn not to get my hopes up. Gearbox, I could easily pirate Homeworld if I wanted, but I'd rather buy it and gift it here on GOG, my home for good old games.
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crazy_dave: read on gamespot that they are releasing on Steam but no word if there will be a GOG release
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tfishell: http://cdn.thatssotrue.com/2011/11/24/thatssotrue.com_528_1329514201.gif

I guess by now I should learn not to get my hopes up. Gearbox, I could easily pirate Homeworld if I wanted, but I'd rather buy it and gift it here on GOG, my home for good old games.
It's possible it doesn't mean anything :/ ... so don't lose all hope yet ... just some of it :)
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tfishell: http://cdn.thatssotrue.com/2011/11/24/thatssotrue.com_528_1329514201.gif

I guess by now I should learn not to get my hopes up. Gearbox, I could easily pirate Homeworld if I wanted, but I'd rather buy it and gift it here on GOG, my home for good old games.
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crazy_dave: It's possible it doesn't mean anything :/ ... so don't lose all hope yet ... just some of it :)
Age of Empires 2, Worms Armageddon, Duke 3D Megaton, Final Fantasy 7, and now perhaps this - most of my hope is lost, but I refuse to just accept Tim saying, "Well, all good old games are going Steam only, so we'll only be getting indies..." We can get DRM-free indies from plenty of other places (correct me if I'm wrong), but on the flip side, it makes sense to gather them into one spot so people can browse more easily. Even so, despite the logic of DRM-free indies coming here, I'm still shooting for hard-to-find good old games and if that means big-name new games, ones normally with DRM, fine then. Logically, now that GOG is becoming a big player, they should be able to wrangle more good old games along with new indie titles.

It seems like some companies and publishers are being numbskulls. You want to release on Steam? Fine, it's logical to have good old games in more than one place given how popular Steam is, but why the hell would you not want more money, from people who want to buy these titles on GOG and play them off-line? Because it's easier to pirate? I could have gone with a pirated copy in the first place, but I love GOG working to bring good old games back to life and want to support that here. Plus, I'm not a monopoly fan.

(yada yada yada)

I'm rather pissed off about this, and just need a place to vent. People are welcome to get pissed at me for pissing, and I'll try to keep it under wraps for the most part, but don't expect me to be completely silent.
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tfishell: I'm rather pissed off about this, and just need a place to vent. People are welcome to get pissed at me for pissing, and I'll try to keep it under wraps for the most part, but don't expect me to be completely silent.
I don't think anyone on these forums would disagree that classics going only to Steam and not GOG is a bad thing. :) I would certainly be annoyed if Homeworld and Homeworld 2 didn't find their way here.
Post edited July 21, 2013 by crazy_dave
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anjohl: GOG has X resources to pursue new deals. This is objective fact.
X is a variable (not a constant), which they can increase from the extra money they get from the new deals, instead of just selling some games that no other digital store wants to sell because they sell only for peanuts for a small niche audience. The important old classics that might still sell well (Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Tomb Raider, Thief, System Shock 2, what have you) are sold also on other stores anyway.

Also, releasing newer games on GOG take much much MUCH less resources than old titles which no one knows who owns the rights, plus the modifications and extensive Q&A work they need from GOG staff.

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anjohl: GOG diverted Y resources to pursue deals to offer newer games. Also objective fact.
Nice try, but that is a misconception which has already been proven wrong by GOG releasing more old titles than before.

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anjohl: End proof.
LOL!

Your argument is similar as that offering Mac versions of games is slowing down getting deals for games. It seems to be a completely alien idea to you that GOG might have actually hired more people to secure Mac versions? You really have missed all the "hiring staff" advertisements by GOG?
Post edited July 21, 2013 by timppu
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timppu: And some people claim GOG should concentrate only on selling old classics... Too bad the old classics are nowadays heading to Steam instead, so that kind of strategy would backfire for sure.
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tfishell: Perhaps, but there are still almost 13,000 people that voted for this: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/continue_to_add_more_good_old_games I would like to see concentration on selling old classics; of course that doesn't mean I will get that.
I didn't take that wishlist item to mean that GOG should not sell newer titles as well, only so that GOG should continue also to release older classics. Which is exactly what they have done, even more than before.

Hence, that wishlist item could be marked as fulfilled. :)

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tfishell: (Are you suggesting that GOG should basically sell whatever they can get their hands on?<
Of course not. I think GOG has rejected games in the past that they didn't feel makes sense to sell on the site.

It is hard to say what people mean when they say GOG should "focus" on older classics. Does it mean they/you want GOG stop selling newer (indie, or whatever) games, or what? Do you really believe that would help getting more old classics to GOG than you are getting now?
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timppu: Juvenile contrarianism, tantrums, internet trolling, etc
The proof had nothing to do with overall financial health of the company. The proof involved the fact that CDProjeckt have reduced their focus on good old games at exactly the same time that other companies get exclusive distribution deals. Please make sure when reading that you do not proceed past a word you do not understand. Most failures to comprehend material, and in genera, involve a misunderstood word that was read past. A good English dictionary is a vital tool in reading comprehension.
And just so that there is no misconception, yes I do want Homeworld games on GOG, and would buy them here too. Fortunately I have them (Homeworld, Cataclysm and Homeworld 2) on retail CDs too, but I wouldn't mind DRM-free digital copies. Too bad if Cataclysm is out of that equation by default.

I was just pointing out that securing old classics like these is not necessarily the gold mine to GOG, as they are heading to other digital stores as well anyway. So much for "GOG should concentrate only on old classics" as being the way to go.

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timppu: Juvenile contrarianism, tantrums, internet trolling, etc
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anjohl: The proof had nothing to do with overall financial health of the company. The proof involved the fact that CDProjeckt have reduced their focus on good old games at exactly the same time that other companies get exclusive distribution deals. Please make sure when reading that you do not proceed past a word you do not understand. Most failures to comprehend material, and in genera, involve a misunderstood word that was read past. A good English dictionary is a vital tool in reading comprehension.
Awww, you really can't handle being wrong, can you? :D

I think you have the cause and effect mixed up, especially considering that e.g. Steam and GamersGate started selling older classics long before GOG made its rebranding.

Also as already said, the amount of older releases on GOG has just picked up, not gone down.
Post edited July 21, 2013 by timppu
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timppu: Continued contrarian ramblings, etc, etc
I handle being wrong perfectly fine, the truth is never insulting, and it's revelation never a defeat. But of course, there is something to be said for proving somebody ELSE wrong, as I have done here to you, that while based solely in emotion, feels objectively virtuous.
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timppu: Continued contrarian ramblings, etc, etc
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anjohl: I handle being wrong perfectly fine, the truth is never insulting, and it's revelation never a defeat. But of course, there is something to be said for proving somebody ELSE wrong, as I have done here to you, that while based solely in emotion, feels objectively virtuous.
Nice how you completely avoid discussing the points I presented, probably as you can't really deny them anyway. Keep it up. :)
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timppu: Ramble, sputter, <hiss>, mumble...
Please see #54, and #52. All required course material is in these two documents. You're welcome.
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timppu: It is hard to say what people mean when they say GOG should "focus" on older classics. Does it mean they/you want GOG stop selling newer (indie, or whatever) games, or what? Do you really believe that would help getting more old classics to GOG than you are getting now?
"Focus" is admittedly pretty vague. I guess (and I've probably voiced this concern before, and perhaps received a response) sometimes I get the impression (let me emphasize that; it's an impression, certainly not fact) that GOG is almost working to distance themselves from the fact that they still sell old games, and is now far more enthusiastic about promoting, discussing, or "distracting" us with newer titles and only DRM-free-ness (such as the latest Divinity game: we got an interview and a giveaway with that team, but I can't remember the last time we got an interview with an industry veteran like someone behind Tex Murphy or Little Big Adventure). That's what frustrates me, because I was initially attracted to this site because of what it brought to the table that other websites didn't: a living museum of gaming, with the best of the past available here. Of course we still get some of that - heck, System Shock 2 and some of the Wizardry titles - but at times I still feel like GOG is sort of saying "meh" to the desire for more good old games.

My hope was that GOG selling newer titles and showing publishers the positive sales results would bring even more fantastic, exciting good old games, but that doesn't seem to have been the case. Half a year ago we were hearing about Take-2, LucasArts, or Microsoft being highly interested in coming aboard, and yet as GOG has grown, that deal seems to have collapse, which is very depressing to me.

Now of course my frustration should probably mostly be focused on publishers that are obsessed with Steam and/or DRM, and unwilling to bring their titles here. As expected, we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes, and while we obviously can't expect to be told much, that adds to my frustration.

So I'm pretty sure I haven't answered your questions, my apologies. I just need to vent about this on occasion. I want to see GOG kick things up a notch, kick a few doors down of IP holders, and come marching out victorious to the cheering crowds of point and click adventure lovers. Instead I feel like everyone is trying to force me to be enthusiastic about a mixture of Desura, the casual section of Target, and XLBA. I won't try to stop others from enjoying the indie titles here, but in the same way, I sometimes want to say what I want to see offered (as a customer).
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anjohl: Please see #54, and #52. All required course material is in these two documents. You're welcome.
Please see #34 (here, I'll even link it for you) and present your sources. You claim that X people are working on both new and old, I claim X are working mostly on old and Z are working mostly on new, thus the resources dedicated to old games are X + percentage of Z. I have Carmageddon, Bard's Tale, Leisure Suit Larry as examples that people working on getting newer licenses are bringing old ones to the site as well.
Post your "sources" about GOG dedicating less resources for old games than it did 2 years ago, or be branded (again) someone who has no understanding of facts, science, research or arguments. And yes, if you can't post your sources, that does mean you are wrong. Let's see how you handle it.

P.S. Don't forget that after licenses are found and first contact is made (the work done by X and Z), next part is handled by PR, Marketing and Legal, who are not hunting down licenses. Then we also move to the tech ninjas, whose number has increased recently, who are also not hunting licenses.

And for sources, #1 and #2. Number of people in "Who's behind GOG" has increased, and GOG continues to hire.
There's something all of those games have in common on Steam. I'll let you figure it out.
my favorite part: "Gearbox issued a statement saying that Brian Martel, Gearbox Software's chief creative officer, only had great love and respect for the Homeworld franchise and "personally spearheaded the acquisition.""


Yeah...same exact shit they said about aliens, and how the whole team were big fans....yeah, i believe nothing that comes out of anyone's mouth at gearbox.