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timppu: And some people claim GOG should concentrate only on selling old classics... Too bad the old classics are nowadays heading to Steam instead, so that kind of strategy would backfire for sure.
Did you notice that this trend began just slightly after Good Old Games became gog.com, and started selling Assassins Creed for $20? They gave up the fight, and wasted resources on games on sale on steam for 1/4 what they ca sell for.
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timppu: And some people claim GOG should concentrate only on selling old classics... Too bad the old classics are nowadays heading to Steam instead, so that kind of strategy would backfire for sure.
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anjohl: Did you notice that this trend began just slightly after Good Old Games became gog.com, and started selling Assassins Creed for $20? They gave up the fight, and wasted resources on games on sale on steam for 1/4 what they ca sell for.
Sorry, I don't quite follow you. If you are really suggesting older classics started appearing on Steam because a couple of semi-new games appeared also on GOG, I find that laughable.

The reason why older classics are appearing also on Steam, GamersGate etc. is because they (both the other digital stores, and the IP rights holders) have understood as well that they can make money by selling them, and they want to widen their catalog also to older classics because EA, Ubisoft etc. seem to become more and more jealous and possessive of their newer AAA titles, like Mass Effect 3. They rather see people buy them from their own digital stores instead, not Steam.
Post edited July 20, 2013 by timppu
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anjohl: Did you notice that this trend began just slightly after Good Old Games became gog.com, and started selling Assassins Creed for $20? They gave up the fight, and wasted resources on games on sale on steam for 1/4 what they ca sell for.
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timppu: Sorry, I don't quite follow you. If you are really suggesting older classics started appearing on Steam because a couple of semi-new games appeared also on GOG, I find that laughable.

The reason why older classics are appearing also on Steam, GamersGate etc. is because they have understood as well that they can make money by selling them, and because they want to widen their catalog also to older classics because EA, Ubisoft etc. seem to become more and more jealous and possessive of their newer AAA titles, like Mass Effect 3. They rather see people buy them from their own digital stores instead, not Steam.
GOG has X resources to pursue new deals. This is objective fact.

GOG diverted Y resources to pursue deals to offer newer games. Also objective fact.

X-Y < X. Yet again, objective fact.

Therefore, GOG now focuses less resources on pursuing deals to acquire old games. One could logically infer thusly that other publishers/vendors may gain an advantage in negotiations, or finalize a deal that GOG would have before diverting Y resources.

End proof.

Editors comment: I really don't understand the concept of being adversarial just for it's own sake. I get it, many of you dislike being proven wrong, and the manner in which I go about it is blunt, to the point, and unrelenting. But that does not change the fact that you are wrong. Correctness and incorrectness are ultimately all that matters. Petty human emotions, social norms, and feelings are irrelevant.
Post edited July 20, 2013 by anjohl
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anjohl: GOG has X resources to pursue new deals. This is objective fact.
GOG increases X by Z, so X resources are dedicated to pursuing older games while Z resources are dedicated to looking for newer games. Both X and Z can also negotiate for newer or older games respectively.

Thus GOG has X + (Z * factor1) for older games and Z + (X * factor2) for newer games, where factor1 and factor2 between 0 and 1. So GOG has increased resources spent looking for games, and has increased the range in which they can look for games. For an example of increased range, see Lords of Midnight, a 2013 remake of a 1984 game, which has been confirmed for GOG. Would they have signed it if they were only looking for older titles?

You may say that if GOG dedicated X+Z resources to older games we would have more, but again, see Lords of Midnight and all the Kickstarters, especially those that come with older titles (Larry, Wasteland, Carmageddon etc).

P.S. If you wish to state something as a "fact", state your source. If no source, then it's just a rumour.
Definitely looking forward to the digital release of the originals. Don't give a fig about the HD remakes. Hoping they'll also come to GOG, but if only Steam that wouldn't stop me buying either.
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anjohl: snip
GOG has X resources to pursue new deals. This is objective fact.

GOG diverted Y resources to pursue deals to offer newer games. Also objective fact.

X-Y < X. Yet again, objective fact.

Therefore, GOG now focuses less resources on pursuing deals to acquire old games. One could logically infer thusly that other publishers/vendors may gain an advantage in negotiations, or finalize a deal that GOG would have before diverting Y resources.

End proof.
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Please provide the steps you believe that the pursue of deals for aquiring old games consists of.

Also, please provide a reliable source or concrete evidence that GOG has stated that they've done what you describe as "objective facts".

And finally, please provide the definition and an example of a ... subjective fact.
I might have to dig out one of my homeworld discs, at last count I had 2 of Homeworld and 3 of Homeworld 2 yet barely played either of them.

Edited as my spreadsheet disagree's
Post edited July 20, 2013 by reaver894
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anjohl: Editors comment: I realy don't understand the concept of being adversarial just for it's own sake. I get it, many of you dislike being proven wrong, and the manner in which I go about it is blunt, to the point, and unrelenting. But that does not change the fact that you are wrong. Correctness and incorrectness are ultimately all that matters. Petty human emotions, social norms, and feelings are irrelevant.
LOL. This has to be one of the funniest things I've read on this forum. Is the notion that you might be wrong about something so alien to you that you can't even imagine that someone might actually see a flaw in your argument? You are after all the perfect logic machine so how could you be wrong...


Well the most glaring way in which you're wrong is assuming that X is not influenced at all by the type of deals GOG made. For people who aren't robots, unlike yourself, what I mean is that if GOG can make more money from including new games with the old then they'll have more money to spend on new deals.
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timppu: And some people claim GOG should concentrate only on selling old classics... Too bad the old classics are nowadays heading to Steam instead, so that kind of strategy would backfire for sure.
Perhaps, but there are still almost 13,000 people that voted for this: http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/continue_to_add_more_good_old_games I would like to see concentration on selling old classics; of course that doesn't mean I will get that.

(Are you suggesting that GOG should basically sell whatever they can get their hands on? New games have headed for Steam since its creation, so I'd imagine GOG is more likely to get a AAA old game than a AAA new game. Obviously they've been able to do well on the indies front, so I'm sure we'll see more of those [not what interests me, but what they can get])

It's too bad that, even as GOG is growing and becoming a major player, it appears to have become even harder to get certain publishers here. I suspect we'll be seeing lots more indie titles, and I will make the occasional comment about hoping to see a good old game release next week.
Todays leading digital platforms = XBLA, PSN and Steam.
Re-releasing old games is a nice start.
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anjohl: End proof.
You forgot :

New games takes less time to test/prepare/support, therefore less resources, than an old game; objective fact.

Newer games can be sold for more than old games; objective fact.

Less resources needed to release them and higher sale price equals much better ROI and in the end more profit; objective fact.

More profit equals more resources to allocate to purse licenses and work on problematic older games; purely subjective, yet somewhat likely, personal opinion.
Post edited July 20, 2013 by Gersen
isnt this that game i made the mistake of thinking it was released on gog from reading a post? i mentioned a while back and took 4 hours tracking down my original post to find out if it was this game i thought it was?

Found it! only took me 11mins - yay.

noone unless you were helping me with that post will understand a word of the above! so lets move on if you dont and say fingers crossed!

any yes it was homeworld. fingers crossed!
Post edited July 20, 2013 by chezybezy
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anjohl: End proof.
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Gersen: You forgot :

New games takes less time to test/prepare/support, therefore less resources, than an old game; objective fact.

Newer games can be sold more than old games; objective fact.

Less resources needed to release them and higher sale price equals much better ROI and in the end more profit; objective fact.

More profit equals more resources to allocate to purse licenses and work on problematic older games; purely subjective, yet somewhat likely, personal opinion.
Also consider:

After several years of old game releases, the pool has dried up somewhat. There are still plenty of old games left, but all the easy ones to license and get working have already been added. It now takes more effort to track down, license, and add modern OS support to old games. GOG already has good relationships with many publishers though, so Its much less work to get newer games licensed.

Im not going to say 'Objective Fact" because I do not,have not, and never will work for GOG or any publisher. I therefore don't really know what I'm talking about.
Post edited July 20, 2013 by MobiusArcher
read on gamespot that they are releasing on Steam but no word if there will be a GOG release