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Posted October 01, 2015
FPS Immortals are here.

Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - are available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. You can pick them up at 33% off in two bundles:
<span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>.





Wolfenstein 3D (with Spear of Destiny) is widely considered to be the first true 3D FPS ever. It single handedly kickstarted a generation of id Software greats, and thus influenced just about every FPS we've played ever since. Its mazes, shades of gray, and blue hues are burned into the collective gaming memory - plus you get to kill a mechanized Hitler. Classic.
In the early days of FPS gaming, Quake II: Quad Damage was the milestone. In a spot-on review from 1997, GameSpot calls it "the only first-person shooter to render the original Quake entirely obsolete." It was bigger, better, prettier, and smoother than any clone or predecessor - it also offered one of the most playable, and by far most popular multiplayer experiences of its day.
Quake III: Gold, aka. multiplayer revolution. Despite a controversial removal of the lauded single-player experience the series was known for, Quake III: Arena became a smash-hit and (together with Unreal Tournament) essentially defined arena-style, movement-based competitive gaming for years. The shooter spawned a community that's been living and breathing to this day.
In B.J. Blazkowicz's Return to Castle Wolfenstein, another legend is born. A unique, objective-based multiplayer mode saw immense popularity back in the day - and it was actually pretty okay if you're into that sort of thing. The single-player campaign is a dark, somewhat ridiculous freak show of morbid, scientific fantasy. An ever present sense of dread emanates from the disturbing experiments and cult-like universe, just waiting to be set afire - by you.


As with any Bethesda purchase, you'll also get The Elder Scrolls: Arena & Daggerfall for free!


Prepare to fight in Quake II: Quad Damage, Quake III: Gold, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny - now DRM-free on GOG.com. Return to the FPS immortals at 33% off in two bundles: <span class="bold">Quake Damage</span> & <span class="bold">Return to Wolfenstein</span>. The promo will last for one week, until October 8, 12:59 PM GMT.



The four titles released today are not available for purchase in Germany. These are legal restrictions that are beyond our control, and we're very sorry for the inconvenience.
Posted October 02, 2015
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JamesBond007: If you live in Germany, just break a lock with a VPN and buy your stuff.
any secure and serious VPN that you can recommend?
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DarthKant: They are still "Indexed". But that does not mean you are not allowed to sell or buy them. Just make sure the customer is aged 18 or above.
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classic-gamer: A lot of games here are indexed in GER and you still can buy them here at GOG. This (Q2/3) has nothing to do with German Law.

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Piranjade: That means that GOG won't be able to do it. The hurdles to be allowed to do that are extremely high, as outlined in this article:
http://www.it-recht-kanzlei.de/Thema/verkauf-computerspiele.html
(especially part V.)
And yes, GOG as a distributor targeting a German audience has to comply with these rules.
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classic-gamer: Well because of the fact that you get automatically english and uncensored version here witch have no USK rating, GOG wouldn't be able to sell 98% of their catalog in Germany.
It doesn't make any sense what's GOG doing here in Germany.

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Yeshu: No, it means German government says "No!" and Zenimax and GoG have to comply or else there will be angry German lawyers on there backs.
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classic-gamer: Sorry but this is bullshit! Please don't spread such lies here.

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DanielRuf: Here ;-)

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_sofort_ident_and_post_ident_to_verify_age

Deutsche Post also provides Video and online solutions.
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classic-gamer: This doesn't make any sense for Q2/3. This is NO resriction by German Law!
It would only affect Commandos and Wolfenstein.
See my comment here http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_sofort_ident_and_post_ident_to_verify_age
Post edited October 02, 2015 by DanielRuf
Posted October 02, 2015
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DarthKant: As far as i see it, this seems to be all Bethesdas doing. Just look at Steam and the release of Wolfenstein: New Order.
Ìt is and it has been confirmed by GOG here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_quake_ii_iii_wolfenstein_3d_return_to_castle_wolfenstein_b1348/post98

And there is the problem: a publisher like Bethesda has more power on GOG than GOG themselves...
Looking-glass world and nice signal to other publishers that they can indroduce things like DRM. GOG would allow it, I'm pretty shure...
Posted October 02, 2015
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JamesBond007: If you live in Germany, just break the lock with a VPN and buy your stuff.
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DanielRuf: any secure and serious VPN that you can recommend?
Try TunnelBear. There is a transfer limit in the free version, but that should be enough.
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: See my comment here http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_sofort_ident_and_post_ident_to_verify_age
Answered there.

P.S.: your links are in wrong format, maybe better to discuss it here.
Posted October 02, 2015
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classic-gamer: As far as i see it, this seems to be all Bethesdas doing. Just look
What?
Posted October 02, 2015
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classic-gamer: As far as i see it, this seems to be all Bethesdas doing. Just look
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ShadowWulfe: What?
What? That's not my quote. -;
Posted October 02, 2015
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classic-gamer: A publisher should't have too much power at GOG.
Except the power to bring or not its games here ...

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hedwards: You want game? Y u no move?
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Smannesman: "Why you on wrong side of world?"
"Much region lock this side of world!"
"No game for you!
Regards,
the Soup Nazi"

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classic-gamer: This doesn't make any sense for Q2/3. This is NO resriction by German Law!
Oh, but it is, Q2 andQ3 are on the german "hide" (indexed) list for "protection of minors" (aka "somebody please think of the children" bullshit or "protect the children" same bullshit) and any store, be it physical or digital is obliged to NOT advertise (show) the respective product on the shelf. They could sell in private only and ONLY if a LEGALLY VERIFIABLE ADULT asks them intentionally in order to buy it.

I guess this doesn't make any business/legal sense at all from GOGs point of view so they don't implement expensive and complicated systems in order to verify german adults and hide german indexed games for minors etc etc.
Plus, Zenimax (Bethesda's owner) has a big psyhical office in germany so its obvious why they they don't want troubles.

If germans want to buy these games then they should fight/lobby/vote the stupid politicians that made these stupid laws and erase them (both the imbeciles politicians and their hideous law creations) for good to the history trashcan.
Post edited October 02, 2015 by mobutu
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: See my comment here http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/add_sofort_ident_and_post_ident_to_verify_age
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classic-gamer: Answered there.

P.S.: your links are in wrong format, maybe better to discuss it here.
Right, GOG reformated the code after I have just pasted an URL, nothing more. You cna see it in your comment too. A newline was converted to a HTML break ;-)

Of it would be against German Law to sell Q2/3 at GOG to german customers, it would also be against German Law to sell 98% of of all GOG-Games to german customers because english and uncut versions of most games haven't been rated by USK.
Exactly, if they are not rated by the USK, they are on the list and arenot allowed to be sold here.

The problem is that most games have a PEGI rating but no USK rating.
I don't know if and how the publishers and GOG want to control this.

An USK rating is required here on the German market, also on Steam and other platforms (even Google Play has USK ratings for almost every app).

http://www.usk.de/iarc/

Well, then generally these are just all imports here on GOG. In this case, GOG could also publish Q2/Q3 for german users. This makes no difference. But then they should also check the age to comply with the rules for imported games. GOG can and will not check if you use the game just for private use.
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classic-gamer: A publisher should't have too much power at GOG.
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mobutu: Except the power to bring or not its games here ...

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Smannesman: "Why you on wrong side of world?"
"Much region lock this side of world!"
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mobutu: "No game for you!
Regards,
the Soup Nazi"

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classic-gamer: This doesn't make any sense for Q2/3. This is NO resriction by German Law!
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mobutu: Oh, but it is, Q2 andQ3 are on the german "hide" (indexed) list for "protection of minors" (aka "somebody please think of the children" bullshit or "protect the children" same bullshit) and any store, be it physical or digital is obliged to NOT advertise (show) the respective product on the shelf. They could sell in private only and ONLY if a LEGALLY VERIFIABLE ADULT asks them intentionally in order to buy it.

I guess this doesn't make any business/legal sense at all from GOGs point of view so they don't implement expensive and complicated systems in order to verify german adults and hide german indexed games for minors etc etc.
Plus, Zenimax (Bethesda's owner) has a big psyhical office in germany so its obvious why they they don't want troubles.

If germans want to buy these games then they should fight/lobby/vote the stupid politicians that made these stupid laws and erase them (both the imbeciles politicians and their hideous law creations) for good to the history trashcan.
Are the games also hidden in the account?
Post edited October 02, 2015 by DanielRuf
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: any secure and serious VPN that you can recommend?
Usually all of them are secure, it's the very intrisec definable quality of a VPN per se :)

Just search the web for "vpn trial no credit card" and choose whatever for trial, you'll need its service for like 5 minutes anyway until you finish the gog buying process.
(and remember to use a Temporary Email Service/Provider when creating your account, in order to Avoid Spam)

Some lists but they are old, not updated, but they should start you:
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/free-vpn-trial-accounts-list/
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/temporary-email-for-avoiding-spam/

Good luck!
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: any secure and serious VPN that you can recommend?
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mobutu: Usually all of them are secure, it's the very intrisec definable quality of a VPN per se :)

Just search the web for "vpn trial no credit card" and choose whatever for trial, you'll need its service for like 5 minutes anyway until you finish the gog buying process.
(and remember to use a Temporary Email Service/Provider when creating your account, in order to Avoid Spam)

Some lists but they are old, not updated, but they should start you:
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/free-vpn-trial-accounts-list/
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/temporary-email-for-avoiding-spam/

Good luck!
Can I not use myown existing account? Gifting is possible even if the person, who redeems the gift is in Germany?
Posted October 02, 2015
Sorry, but at these prices, I think I'll save my money. They're all overpriced.
Posted October 02, 2015
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classic-gamer: And there is the problem: a publisher like Bethesda has more power on GOG than GOG themselves...
Looking-glass world and nice signal to other publishers that they can indroduce things like DRM. GOG would allow it, I'm pretty shure...
It is not Bethesda that is dictating the release area, it is a matter of law. The game was BANNED in Germany by the legislative body there, it had nothing to do with Id or Bethesda.
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: Can I not use myown existing account? Gifting is possible even if the person, who redeems the gift is in Germany?
That is your decision, you either
-log on your trial vpn account (remember to use a bogus email address for registration!) and then log on gog with your existing gog account and then buy whatever you want;
or
-log on your trial vpn account (remember to use a bogus email address for registration!) and then log on gog with another temporary gog account that you just created (the same advice could apply if you want, remember to use a bogus email address for registration also!) and then buy whatever GIFTCODES you want and then gift them towards your regular gog account (yes, you can redeem these games with an german IP gog account, there were already like 3 sources of positive confirmations in this thread, I'm too lazy now to dig them up).

Good luck!
Post edited October 02, 2015 by mobutu
Posted October 02, 2015
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DanielRuf: Can I not use myown existing account? Gifting is possible even if the person, who redeems the gift is in Germany?
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mobutu: That is your decision, you either
-log on your trial vpn account (remember to use a bogus email address for registration!) and then log on gog with your existing gog account and then buy whatever you want;
or
-log on your trial vpn account (remember to use a bogus email address for registration!) and then log on gog with another temporary gog account that you just created (the same advice could apply if you want, remember to use a bogus email address for registration also!) and then buy whatever GIFTCODES you want and then gift them towards your regular gog account (yes, you can redeem these games with an german IP gog account, there were already like 3 sources of positive confirmations in this thread, I'm too lazy now to dig them up).

Good luck!
Ah ok, thanks for the information that they can be redeemed =)
Posted October 02, 2015
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Navagon: Descent ever so slightly edged it.
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apehater: grargar managed to find an older game: Geograph Seal
Starglider 2
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