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What I don't understand is why we're trying to figure out what to do; this is "forum mafia game #42", which does imply that we're playing mafia, no...? Are there any links to games with similar starts (where the beginning is less "play mafia" and more "figure out to do")?

The only skills that I have other than my corn and potato mastery is an assumption that I'm decently competent at building things considering the whole "I built my own house" thing.

I'll read up and respond to things shortly.
Vote lxamyakxim

We've been live since Tuesday, and he has yet to show up. Doesn't exactly scream town.
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Nachomamma8: What I don't understand is why we're trying to figure out what to do; this is "forum mafia game #42", which does imply that we're playing mafia, no...? Are there any links to games with similar starts (where the beginning is less "play mafia" and more "figure out to do")?

The only skills that I have other than my corn and potato mastery is an assumption that I'm decently competent at building things considering the whole "I built my own house" thing.

I'll read up and respond to things shortly.
Well, links are forbidden to us living in antiquity. But... no I'd say this is fairly unique anyway.

I'm sure underneath the paint and varnish, it's a simple Mafia game. We've just all been hearing about this bloody game for nearly a year now and how special and enormous it was going to be, so we're waiting for some kind of shoe to drop to see if there's some special mechanic we don't expect, since pretty much every game usually starts with a) a death and b) some admonition to find the killers. We've got a) but b) seems to be missing.

So what do you think, Nacho? Should we simply tie a noose around the neck of the guy who hasn't said a word?
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Nachomamma8: What I don't understand is why we're trying to figure out what to do; this is "forum mafia game #42", which does imply that we're playing mafia, no...? Are there any links to games with similar starts (where the beginning is less "play mafia" and more "figure out to do")?

The only skills that I have other than my corn and potato mastery is an assumption that I'm decently competent at building things considering the whole "I built my own house" thing.

I'll read up and respond to things shortly.
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yogsloth: Well, links are forbidden to us living in antiquity. But... no I'd say this is fairly unique anyway.

I'm sure underneath the paint and varnish, it's a simple Mafia game. We've just all been hearing about this bloody game for nearly a year now and how special and enormous it was going to be, so we're waiting for some kind of shoe to drop to see if there's some special mechanic we don't expect, since pretty much every game usually starts with a) a death and b) some admonition to find the killers. We've got a) but b) seems to be missing.

So what do you think, Nacho? Should we simply tie a noose around the neck of the guy who hasn't said a word?
Okay, this is more along the lines of what we need to hear.
No, I don't think we should lynch the guy who hasn't posted; I think it's an easy vote for wolves and would rather let the moderator deal with lurkers (whether with kills or replacements, it's not fair that we should have to clear out those who aren't participating and skew the game in the favor of whatever team has the least amount of flakes).

I can deal with the weird roleplaying aspects; hell, I'll even join in and make plans and all of that jazz no matter how ridiculous it makes me feel but I do think we need a little more focus on the "mafia" part of the game; chances are there are bad guys and we need to vote them (whatever the hell voting does); if this game was not mafia and instead was an interactive murder mystery I don't think that drealmer would emphasize that his flavor was not alignment indicative as adamantly as he did in the first part of rule 7.
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docbear1975: Vote lxamyakxim

We've been live since Tuesday, and he has yet to show up. Doesn't exactly scream town.
Doesn't scream anything. It's just silence, Clarice.

And worse, if by some chance he's town PR in a game that could well have had N0 due to the delay between "Game launch impending!" and actual game launch, we're knocking off a PR who might have a tease or a claim and can't defend himself. It's not exactly ideal strategy.

If you want to track down that he's been active elsewhere on the forums and is just avoiding us towards making a case that his absence is specifically alignment indicative, then by all means, go nuts.

The Great Being That Oversees Our Existence made a comment earlier about absence not being an issue until Friday morning, so presumably beyond that he will either modkill or replace him if he hasn't shown.

Voting for him in the interim looks strategy-negative to me, though it does leave us twiddling our thumbs a bit.

That said, I'm not adverse to voting him for the sake of moving things along if tomorrow comes and goes with no resolution, but it's entirely meh at best.


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Nachomamma8: What I don't understand is why we're trying to figure out what to do; this is "forum mafia game #42", which does imply that we're playing mafia, no...? Are there any links to games with similar starts (where the beginning is less "play mafia" and more "figure out to do")?
That would probably be...most of our games. It's a mix of the long days, the closed-often-wacky setups, and just kind of a learned culture. Figuring out WTH is going on is kinda a thing we do, ideal or no.

Case in point, I created a game with 11 players and 2 cops with N0 actions (1 paranoid, 1 naive) for the precise purpose of seeing if I could get the group to do something other than the normal D1 meandering malaise. The exception that proves the rule.
I want to ask everyone if any of you have wolf hunting experience. I think we can ride out and track wherever these wolves are coming from.

That ^ was Dan.


This now is Brasas for those he noted flavor:
Laura (docbear) is a vet
Adam (Agent) is a carpenter, here since the founding
Bill (Quadr) is a city guy finding his way
Craig (Wyrm) grew up here, is a mason and knows the trails
Fergie (Nacho) is a farmer
Nathan (Dess) is an alcoholic?
Probably supplied by Eric's (Yog) bootlegger brother. I guess Eric's dogs help keep folks away. That or he was Ramsay Bolton all along.
Emily (Trent) is the family mother. But given the family details she's almost a "godmother"... heheheh...
and Marie (Bler) is clearly the poisoner herbalist from that other game.
which I guess makes me Dan (Brasas) the headless rider of Sleepy Hollow. Or something.

Did I miss anyone?

Please bump, I noticed Nacho asked me stuff I had missed.
Bump.
I'll have another question for you after you post.
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Lifthrasil: ( I think I already answered that several times. Talking about no-lynch is acceptable in this game, because it fits the flavour and some of us are trying to roleplay. And (in character) we don't have a reason to want a lynch so far. Our characters don't know they are in a game and they don't know they need a lynch and a flip. As far as they are concerned what we need is every single defender alive. Why would we weaken ourselves as long as wolves or monsters that sound like wolves are out there, as long as we don't have any hard evidence, that some of these monsters are hiding among us?
My suspicions are in the same vein. On Day 1, we don't have any evidence to go on. So I go with the flavour and someone talking about the taste of a victim that has just been eaten, HAS to appear offensive and suspicious to those around him. Do I think that wolves are more likely to make bad jokes than not-wolves? No. That way WIFOM lies. "I wouldn't have told this joke, drawing suspicion to myself, if I were a wolf." ... "Yea. But that's exactly what a wolf would say too."

But that's also why my vote is NOT on one of those jokers, but on a lurker. It's the only thing that makes sense both in character and as a player. A lurker ALWAYS is bad for town. Lurkers don't contribute to the game. They don't reveal anything about themselves and they don't try to find out anything about others and their behavior can't be analysed on the next Day, because there is nothing to analyse. It is very easy for scum to hide behind lurking, to fly below the radar. So a lurker is either scum, trying to hide. Or a lurker is a thoroughly useless townie. On Day 1 we risk hitting town anyhow and it's better to lose someone useless than to lose someone, who actually plays the game and is trying to help town. Additionally many players actually find it more difficult to find something to write when they are scum. So lynching a lurker even has a better chance to hit scum than lynching anyone at random.

Therefore my Day 1 policy is and always has been: lynch a lurker, unless something better arises. Like someone appearing to have made a genuine slip. ... And in this game I like this policy even more, because it benefits the game and fits the flavour too. Because who is more suspicious than someone hiding in the woods, where the monsters are? )
Sure, it makes sense to no lynch for roleplay reasons but Brasas wasn't roleplaying unless there was some really sneaky roleplaying going on somewhere that I didn't catch, so excusing his push for a no lynch because it makes sense for roleplayers is ???.

Calling lurkers bad for the town and only the town is just rhetoric; lurkers are anti-game and hurt whatever team that they are on. I can understand wanting to lynch a player from the bottom half of players (you're right that there are plenty of people who are uncomfortable talking as wolves), but pushing someone who hasn't spoke yet?

Flavorwise, it doesn't make sense to vote to lynch someone who isn't here (how do you lynch someone that isn't around), but it does make sense to question and grill one another about their knowledge of events, especially if you have suspicions of something out of the ordinary going on (and you should based on the number of people who fled to Nashua).

We risk lynching town every time we play this game. But we have to take risks in order to lynch wolves; otherwise, people are handed victories simply because they have the magical ability to post when they're told they are a bad guy and that seems like an extraordinarily odd and boring game to me.

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SirCrimsonFox: Uh....wow and uh uh wow and things. Come on over mister!

I've never seen instant cows before! Are they the same color as regular cows?

Is there a way you can tell?

What flavor are they?

I have so many questions.
Instant Cows, much like Instant Oatmeal, looks exactly the same as the original. However, their behavior from normal cows is completely different; as you can imagine, you need a cow to be pretty insane in the membrane in order for it to cook itself, so you can typically tell an instant cow the moment they open their mouth and "I Took a Pill in Ibiza" comes out of their mouth instead of the more common "moooo". Instant Cows, much like Instant Oatmeal, also comes in a wide variety of flavors, the most common being Harvest Moon and Rocky Road Vanilla.


It's been 10 minutes!
Anyone who is around, please come talk to me; I don't have much time today but engaging people in real-time has a pretty good chance of being more fruitful than the email correspondence that we have going on now.
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Brasas: What did you like on 4)? The number logic showing the low downside?

5) No one asked me to try to mindread Drealmer. I'm as puzzled by his design intentions as anyone else. And want to try and relax and see what happens above all else right now.

To recap. Nacho asked if my mentioning no lynch was just because of Drealmer's meta. I said I covered that in replying to you. You had said yourself "it's a bit odd coming from Brasas" and replying to that I gave one other reason for what I had suggested: the previous game D1. * Implication being, maybe No Lynch is not such a bad idea also here. That said, I also then added to Nacho that I agreed with Trent already to drop that. Which to be explicit now, the main reason I spoke of No Lynch was to get reactions.


6) I didn't get. Is it sarcastic? Is it earnest?
Turning into a muddled mess, but here goes:
4) The logic, yes.
6) It was earnestly sarcastic.

5) Well, you say that, but the question ultimately goes back to what you said in #44 where you did propose:

"RVS is fun and all, but it's Drealmer's game (meaning who knows what the heck to expect) plus I'm not sure if I will be able to post very frequently so I'd rather not leave the vote parked.

Actually... I got an idea >:)
Who thinks no lynch will be somehow important sometime?

PS: To the new folks, Drealmer is famous for advocating No Lynch."


Would have used italics, but that was doomed to gogFail.

Thus the questions about why you think it's not just strategically beneficial sometimes, which I agree, but why you think Drealmer would put it in play. There's a pretty obvious response to that, it just seems to me that instead you're spinning towards saying you never said something you pretty clearly seem to have said, even in jest.

Or am I missing something, here?
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trentonlf: I am concerned that yogsloth has disappeared after making the trombone comment. Several people have noted how they have not liked what he has been doing in his posts and he has had no response. He as been one of the most active people in the game so far, his sudden disappearance seems odd.

Also, I am concerned that Emma (Ixamyakxim) has not arrived yet, as much time as has passed since the bell rang to bring everyone together he should have made an appearance by now.

@Nacho, the wolf joke you made when I first saw it made me go "WTH is he thinking, that is so scummy to say" and I almost voted you for it. Then I realized it was akin to what another player (dedoporno) always does every game he plays, he posts a meme when someone accuses him of being scum saying something along the lines of "Bitch I might be". The first game he did it I was all over him for doing so, pointing out how scummy it was and if he was town then he shouldn't be saying that. He ended up being town that game and it turned into a running joke between us since then, and made me realize that sometimes a joke is just a joke.
I don't typically find straight disappearances scummy, especially from people with good scumgames; people typically play the game when they have time and other people have more time than others. I'm not really sure that someone not showing up yet means that they're scum who is constantly browsing the thread but can't show up and say something like "Hi! My name is Kerry and I grow fruit and read books to children!".

Your perception of the wolf joke makes sense.

Bookwyrm, Drealmer's exact quote was that we were free to use or not to use any of the information at our disposal; if it was absolutely integral to the game (i.e. it was something that we needed to figure out before we could actually play), then I don't really think that he'd tell people that we were free not to use the information.

I am honored to be crowned the Pancake King. I won't let you down, Bookwyrm.

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Bookwyrm627: You are ignoring the very, blatantly obvious solution: I didn't know about them until one happened to me. I did indeed "bring it up as soon as possible". How do you know anything about the timing of of my revelation versus when I acquired the knowledge?

Keep your shade. I don't need it.
I assumed, and you know what they say about people who make those things.
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Nachomamma8: Anyone who is around, please come talk to me; I don't have much time today but engaging people in real-time has a pretty good chance of being more fruitful than the email correspondence that we have going on now.
Welcome to a slow-paced game! The ten-minute rule really screws with your ability to effective real-time it.

That said, I think we're on the right track. Brasas is doing a great job compiling flavor roles - except, of course, for his own:

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Brasas: which I guess makes me Dan (Brasas) the headless rider of Sleepy Hollow. Or something.
Bler, what are your thoughts on Lift's opening?

Yogsloth, where you merely dwell in your "slow games", I've been raised in them. The lack of pace bothers me less than the lack of focus does.

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SirCrimsonFox: Holy cow chip! So uh his post about tromboning is what you have to comment about? That’s it? Altho I guess I agree it does sound a bit lolcatty/defensive/taunting. But that’s the post you have to comment on?
The thing that I found interesting about the trombone post is that bler brought up something that bothered him and then yogsloth's reaction was to charlie brown it and then never talk about it ever again even when other people mentioned that it bothered them. I'm not really sure why he would do it as town, but him being scum and charlie browning the serious stage of the game away would exactly be surprising.

Bumping me is courteous!
Shit guys... I'm not that fast at typing, and I need to remember what I was thinking back when... please bump and I'll try to keep up... I do want to go sleep eventually you know. Not all of us are in the US.

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Nachomamma8: Brasas, you mentioned voting lurkers as being a "downside fallback" sort of thing but it's the type of thing that you proposed <48 hours into the game and continue to mention now which seems kind of odd if it's a last resort type of move; am I misinterpreting something here?

I'm not really sure why you're uncomfortable with early votes in general. Was there a reason you think that my vote on Yogsloth was too early? What pro-town reason is there to wait?

Why did Yog's Stanari vote bother you? What do you mean by "No Lynch Bait" reaction?
In the future please quote me or something, only saw these from going flavor hunting.

1 - a low downside fallback. I kind of insist on keeping the adjective there, you know, so no one thinks I'm saying the opposite of what I actually am. Does that count as a misinterpretation?

2 - fear not, I'll actually answer you. Basically the actual lynching of lukers is a last resort kind of thing. But voting lurkers to pressure them into showing up is far from a last resort. And yet, note I have not voted out of RVS.

3 - I'm not uncomfortable with early votes. I am uncomfortable with unjustified votes. And early votes tend to be unjustified. Call me a softy, but I don't like to mislynch.

4 - You voting Yog too early? What? You smoking corn husk or something?

5 - Yog's vote on Stanari was out of the blue, out of leftfield, and as far I can see had zero reason, especially coming from the master provocateur himself. I'm puzzled how someone can look at that vote and not think weird shit. I mean I thought it was distancing for a second, but Yog is smarter than doing it like that. That vote dissipated faster than a fart in high winds, but I still heard it come out, and it still stank.

6 - Because I know most Mafia players are allergic to no lynch, and seeing the opportunity from the flavor ambiguity, I wanted to drop that bait and see what happened. Unfortunately, good players don't slip, and so it all became very WIFOMY. I didn't like how Lift went easy on me, but I can't blame him for the flavor ambiguity which I also feel.
Did you know that there were leprosy cases in Jurupa Valley? I didn't.

I wanted to ask you why, if you were digging with reactions with the No Lynch thing, you soft-balled it as much as you did; you kind of floated the idea of a no lynch out there instead of declaring loudly and proudly that it was the one and only true path and all people who thought or implied differently were dumb dumb heads.

Bumps are still appreciated!
EBWOP for clarity:

"Thus the question's about why you think it's not just strategically beneficial sometimes, which I agree, but why you think Drealmer would put it in play as a design feature."

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Nachomamma8: Calling lurkers bad for the town and only the town is just rhetoric; lurkers are anti-game and hurt whatever team that they are on. I can understand wanting to lynch a player from the bottom half of players (you're right that there are plenty of people who are uncomfortable talking as wolves), but pushing someone who hasn't spoke yet?
Ideally that would be true, but lurking mafia teams tend to win a disproportionate amount of the time here. Thus the "Slaughter the _____" campaign yogs has spearheaded but it hasn't really gone anywhere.



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Nachomamma8: Bumps are still appreciated!
I think you're the first player I can't keep up with :)

Will look at your question, but here's a bump.