Holiday weekend is winding to a close, so I’m back in to try and catch up. Incredibly busy today - how amazingly fun is that? Fantastic! It will take me two posts to cover everything.
trentonlf: I tell you I prefer not to keep talking about roles or PMs, yet you want to specifically mention my name in relation to why we should. Are you just trying to antagonize me?
Who, me? Do what? No, no, no. Yes. No. NO. No, sorry. I meant no. What was the question again?
bler144: -Bullies suck. But was that ranting nutjob really our friend? I mean, s/he did call me a doucheface. Ironically, not to my face. And after all I did for him/her - man, the nerve of that c__ and/or c___!
Frankly I think the town is better off now that they've gone. Y'know, assuming they don't sneak back into town at night as a vigilante or something.
Though really, there's only 14 of us, and presumably we don't all have amnesia. Wouldn't one of us remember who that was? Maybe they have really good makeup, or a Zorro costume or something.
Part 1. This might have been a little bit more than I was really asking for there. Should we mark this? Should we leave this for later? Until Part 2…
flubbucket: I got a rather galling letter from corporate reminding me to continue providing excellent service and to basically keep doing my job until the end.
I think you should burn the place down and steal their red Swingline.
RWarehall: I'm going to say this much. The game of Mafia is won and lost by the town, not the scum.
Well, I just want to point out the whole reason I got started doing this was watching Krypsyn and Mr. Meyow tie everyone in knots in the werewolf game.
agentcarr16: This is the kind of admissions that I like. Trentonlf is fairly certain Bookwyrm is scum, but he realizes that if Bookwyrm flips town, then trentonlf will be in a spot of hot water. (Rather sneakily, he still pushes that he is town with his "'unfortunate' next candidate" line.)
Why do you like this admission? What’s likeable about it? From what perspective?
agentcarr16: This is absolutely ridiculous. So because Krypsyn flipped votes around for no reason in the Space game, then Bookwyrm flipping votes around in the Gallows game must be scum.
There is absolutely no logic here. You cannot draw lines between two totally different players and expect results. Now, if 90% of scum flipped votes around for no reason, then I would understand. However, then we would also have a problem with Krypsyn, and maybe with bler144 as well. So, yogsloth, you have found 1 half-decent reason in 3 tries.
So I’m batting .167? That’s not too bad for a pitcher, though, right?
Here’s a thing: you think my logic stinks? I’ve already said I’m operating on gut here, but yes, I believe that someone flipping a vote on me when I’ve started piecing something together is a scum tell. It happened this exact way with Krypsyn in the space game, Sage in the milk game, Jmich in the game show game… it keeps happening. You don’t like it, fine, then YOU vote for somebody and wow me with your amazing logic on why you did so.
trentonlf: So you are thinking a disgruntled former townie has come back as a Vigilante or similar role to wreak vengeance on the bullies who wronged them. Would that automatically make them a third faction though? If they were a serial killer, or someone who had an action every night I could see a third faction. But, if they are a Vigilante they probably have limited shots and are still just a townie that is not happy with the way things are. But if they have returned and are a threat to town then I will do all I can to stop them.
I also see your point of the gender question, the default for most people is to say "he" in reference to anyone. I try and take it at face value, but there are times that a "he" is really a "she".
Now see… this is the type of clear, levelheaded thinking that we need when discussing our private messages. Good job, Trent, and thanks.
Krypsyn: yogsloth does have a problem with me.
Well, that sounds a bit meaner than it needs to. I’m less than thrilled about your juvenile delinquency, but at least you’re having fun with it.
RWarehall: As to PM discussion, I disagree with both JMich and Trent, assuming people are smart about it. (...)
People can discuss PMs responsibly and it does create useful discussion which helps town more than scum, assuming people don't slip and reveal their roles. In a normal game, the PM shouldn't even be an issue, as everyone should have the same one and its clearly posted in the OP. This game seems a bit different. It appears everyone has a slightly different one and its possible, we have all been given little clues about the enemy (or else Vitek is just completely yanking our chains).
…and yet you haven’t chimed in with any information from your PM, have you?
bler144: The most amusing 'unbalanced' scenario would be no mafia at all, and just several pro-town vigilantes and a few survivalists. It's highly unlikely one would have a mafia game with no mafia, but it's one potential explanation for Vitek's suggestion that 'no lynch might be a good play.' Or perhaps, and probably more likely, Vitek is recalling the last mafia game he moderated where there 3 lynches over the course of the game (based on the summary) and each time it was a townie who went down. Whoops!
I also don't really tend to believe no-lynch is a big mistake (and an anecdotal perusal of prior games doesn't seem to support that it is either), but I'm willing to play along if people are certain it's a must.
Here’s Part 2. I tell ya bler, I’m glad you’re in the game because you’re active and entertaining, but I really don’t know where you’re going with all this. What you’re doing is making it really REALLY sound like you know something you’re dying to share.
So what I would tell you is – and this may surprise sooooome of you – be very careful about sharing it. Despite what I’m being accused of, I don’t think it’s a good idea to discuss roles, for some of the very reasons pointed out by Trent and JMich. In this game, I think pooling flavor is a good idea… but don’t go too far and reveal something you don’t want Scum to know.
dedoporno: Everyone is scum, nobody is scum
I already commented on this one earlier.
bler144: 2) The OP in this thread notes that this person insulted everyone in town. Being in town, I would have been insulted. That's right out there on the table. It's possible the specific language I stated having been called was PM info and I revealed something of value, or perhaps it's just narrative color I pulled out of my behind to deepen the story, as it were.
Part 3. See Part 2.
Bookwyrm627: That's true, bad guys might use it too. So you need to examine the content of my posting to figure out if I'm a bad guy. Just don't forget to examine all of the people that talk about my posting, also. You not only have what
I've said, you now have what half a dozen other people have said about what I've said to consider.
But what about what you’ve said they’ve said about what you’ve said I said? Should I consider that? I keep asking you to help me here, and this is what I get from you.
Bookwyrm627: You think one townie risking his life to draw information from half of town isn't worthwhile? When I die, and with my behavior I fully expect the question is "when", I think my actions will serve my side.
Except that if you are Town and get yourself lynched because of douchebaggery so impossible to ignore than even the hardiest Town players feel compelled to point it out over and over again, and then lynch you for it, it spoils the information. Call it the “HijacK Conundrum”. If you ARE Town Wyrm, and get yourself lynched, what the hell am I supposed to learn from your wagon, except that the overwhelming consensus was that you deserved it? As you pointed out, if you flipped Town, do you really think anyone is going to assume Trent is scum for starting your wagon? I think your information you’re trying to draw stinks, and I think you’re smarter than that. Vote stays.
Cutting it off here – it’s getting too long, but I’ll be back probably in ~2 hours.
