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king_mosiah: How is me running my legally bought copy of Daggerfall in dosbox under Linux piracy?
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Neobr10: Did you read the post i replied to? The guy i replied to is talking about emulating old games for free without owning the original copies, just read his posts. Context is important, you know.
Get some manners!

You made a general statement that was bs and got corrected, end of story.
That reply doesn't mean anything at all but it's alright to dream. I guess. :) Voted for all of them.
If this came true it would definitely set a great precedent. Fingers crossed.
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synfresh: It's never going to happen. All nintendo console games are under their copywrite so unless GoG is going to give Nintendo kickbacks for every single emulated game, forget it. Besides, Nintendo has their own marketplace (WiiU/3DS shop) that I would think they would want to sell on there first.
No.

Nintendo do not automatically own all (versions of) games released on their systems. For Nintendo to release games they didn't make and don't own on the Virtual Console they have to licence them just like GOG would. What Nintendo does own is the trademarks for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. As long as GOG and Disney don't acknowledge that they're SNES games it should be fine.
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djdarko: Doesn't each SNES game contain some type of coding that was licensed by Nintendo created using the SNES Development Kit? I hope I'm wrong, but they would probably have to pay huge fees to release those old games on non-Nintendo platforms.
You might be right here to a certain extent. The consoles included a lockout chip which asked the game to provide a 'password' of sorts, the password being copyrighted code that belonged to Nintendo. This is how Nintendo regulated releases on the consoles (or rather enforced that regulation). The idea was that an unlicenced game that ran would be running because of piracy of this code giving Nintendo grounds for legal action (there were some interesting ways around this but that's for another time). It's a morally dodgy business practice, but it was effectively adopted by all console manufacturers in some manner eventually.

Now here's the important part. It was a genuine SNES that required the game contain this code, there's no reason the emulator would refuse to run a game without this code. All Disney needs to do is hack any copyrighted code out of the ROM. It's just a little bootloader thing at the beginning AFAIK, they just need to hire someone from the ROM hacking scene with SNES experience.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by SirPrimalform
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Austrobogulator: I know it doesn't really count but Wisdom Treehave a bunch of Nintendo games for sale on their website.
Haha, Wisdom Tree's games were never even licenced! In fact, they're one of the companies I didn't quite mention above who bypassed the lockout. Presumably Jesus told them that they should spread the word regardless of the law. :P
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synfresh: It's never going to happen. All nintendo console games are under their copywrite so unless GoG is going to give Nintendo kickbacks for every single emulated game, forget it. Besides, Nintendo has their own marketplace (WiiU/3DS shop) that I would think they would want to sell on there first.
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SirPrimalform: No.

Nintendo do not automatically own all (versions of) games released on their systems. For Nintendo to release games they didn't make and don't own on the Virtual Console they have to licence them just like GOG would. What Nintendo does own is the trademarks for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. As long as GOG and Disney don't acknowledge that they're SNES games it should be fine.
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djdarko: Doesn't each SNES game contain some type of coding that was licensed by Nintendo created using the SNES Development Kit? I hope I'm wrong, but they would probably have to pay huge fees to release those old games on non-Nintendo platforms.
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SirPrimalform: You might be right here to a certain extent. The consoles included a lockout chip which asked the game to provide a 'password' of sorts, the password being copyrighted code that belonged to Nintendo. This is how Nintendo regulated releases on the consoles (or rather enforced that regulation). The idea was that an unlicenced game that ran would be running because of piracy of this code giving Nintendo grounds for legal action (there were some interesting ways around this but that's for another time). It's a morally dodgy business practice, but it was effectively adopted by all console manufacturers in some manner eventually.

Now here's the important part. It was a genuine SNES that required the game contain this code, there's no reason the emulator would refuse to run a game without this code. All Disney needs to do is hack any copyrighted code out of the ROM. It's just a little bootloader thing at the beginning AFAIK, they just need to hire someone from the ROM hacking scene with SNES experience.
For SNES, the lockout chip was a separate chip, it wasn't a blob of code included in the game. It wouldn't be included in ROM dumps.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Emulation is not piracy. Come on, people. Emulation was branded as piracy, only AFTER corporations noticed that many people loved it and sunk in it. Before it, they did not even care. Up to one point, mame roms were freely distributed through pc magazine CD gift and no one even cared.

After they decided to make profit out of it, they started moving, banning, selling and stuff. The word free always gets stuck in the throat of many people. Don't spit, son; swallow instead!
Umm... Emulation isn't piracy. It's the distribution of copyrighted ROM images that is piracy. Playing a game isn't piracy, the piracy is in the distribution. Your first statement is accurate, but not for the reasons you think it is. Maybe MAME ROMs were being distributed on magazine discs in Greece, but I don't think they would have got away with that in the US or Japan. Back in the time you're talking about, it's most likely that the companies simply weren't aware that their games were being used to sell magazines.

EDIT: I'm not making a moral judgement here, I'm just talking about the legal aspects.

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Pidgeot: For SNES, the lockout chip was a separate chip, it wasn't a blob of code included in the game. It wouldn't be included in ROM dumps.
Ah, I thought that applied to the NES but that the 'password' was code in the SNES. Maybe I'm thinking of the GameBoy? The Nintendo logo that dropped down at the beginning wasn't part of the GB BIOS but had to be included in the game and was checked by the BIOS. Pretty clever to make the 'password' a trademarked logo.
Anyway, the lockout chip being separate for the SNES makes me think there should be fewer obstacles than I anticipated.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: Back in the time you're talking about, it's most likely that the companies simply weren't aware that their games were being used to sell magazines.
Exactly. Said companies were not only unawares, but NOT CARING about it, either. They were considering all those games dead for good, because ever since, their only care is shiny new games with better graphics and zero quality/gameplay/replayability, instead of good old gaming; and their first priority has always been consoles. They started caring and banning ONLY AFTER noticing the throngs of players caught up in emulation, and them SUDDENLY realizing that they could make a profit out of it.

First they leave their games for dead, then when amateur programmers revive them, sue them, ban it and sell for profit. Disgusting, even if lawful, yes?!? I thought as much.

We are not thieves. They are stingy. As i said, the word "free", gets stuck on MANY people's throats. Even the throat of a "righteous" player...

I still get sad and cannot recover from being butthurt, from the whole MAME incident. And i wanted to play some anime game roms (sob, like fate/unlimited codes), that now i cannot, because the program is constantly upgraded to never be compatible with older and newer roms... :'(
Post edited February 01, 2015 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Exactly. Said companies were not only unawares, but NOT CARING about it, either. They were considering all those games dead for good, because ever since, their only care is shiny new games with better graphics and zero quality/gameplay/replayability, instead of good old gaming; and their first priority has always been consoles. They started caring and banning ONLY AFTER noticing the throngs of players caught up in emulation, and them SUDDENLY realizing that they could make a profit out of it.

First they leave their games for dead, then when amateur programmers revive them, sue them, ban it and sell for profit. Disgusting, even if lawful, yes?!? I thought as much.

We are not thieves. They are stingy. As i said, the word "free", gets stuck on MANY people's throats. Even the the throat of a "righteous" player...
It's not actually possible to care about something you're unaware of...

I'm fairly certain a lot of them would have done something if they'd known, the world was just a bigger place back then.
Any console emulation i think is silly and a waste of time and effort. Personally i would never buy an emulated title here when its prolly been done better on PSN or Xlive.

Keep up with the DosBOX tweaks and thouse era of titles (Dark Seed anyone) and getting old win95 games working (Legacy of Kain) and you will continue to have my $$


FYI: Daggerfall is was and will remain free... word on the street Redguard is going free soon from Zenimax ^_^
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Starkrun: word on the street Redguard is going free soon from Zenimax ^_^
Makes me wonder what the game is since i've never heard of it.

Yet I'm reminded of those advertisements on the Morrowind discs for a TES game on your phone...
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Starkrun: word on the street Redguard is going free soon from Zenimax ^_^
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rtcvb32: Makes me wonder what the game is since i've never heard of it.

Yet I'm reminded of those advertisements on the Morrowind discs for a TES game on your phone...
Check it out HERE
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Klumpen0815: Get some manners!

You made a general statement that was bs and got corrected, end of story.
My reply was taken completely out of context. End of story.

Do yourself a favor and read the post i replied to, it will be pretty obvious that he was not talking about legally emulating games that he owns. But you can keep up with your ignorant behaviour if you so desire.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by Neobr10
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Klumpen0815: Get some manners!

You made a general statement that was bs and got corrected, end of story.
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Neobr10: My reply was taken completely out of context. End of story.

Do yourself a favor and read the post i replied to, it will be pretty obvious that he was not talking about legally emulating games that he owns. But you can keep up with your ignorant behaviour if you so desire.
I know what it was about since I've read the thread, still making such general statements that are obviously wrong is a fail and in any case and seeing your usual behaviour, I think it's not a language barrier.
You should start to work on some manners, because in every thread I see you, there is a massive lack of those in your posts. I sincerely hope, that you are not poisoning your social environment elsewhere in a similar manner and downvoting the post above is just very low.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Voted all games, everything that's getting released for the first time on PC is welcome!
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Klumpen0815: I know what it was about since I've read the thread, still making such general statements that are obviously wrong is a fail and in any case and seeing your usual behaviour, I think it's not a language barrier.
You and that other user quoted my post completely out of context. That's very intellectually dishonest. It's pretty easy to pick up a reply, rip it out of its original context and attack it. And when i called out how much of a BS it was, you jumped on personal attacks like you always do.

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Klumpen0815: You should start to work on some manners, because in every thread I see you, there is a massive lack of those in your posts.
Get some manners? Anyone here who knows how to read will see who is the one who came up with personal attacks. That's the only thing you ever do on this forum. You never have anything constructive to add other than that crappy thread about "vegan developers". Grow up kid. Look at yourself before pointing your fucking finger at others.
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Klumpen0815: I sincerely hope, that you are not poisoning your social environment elsewhere in a similar manner
Hmmm, let's see who is the one who started causing all the trouble and came up with personal attacks out of nowhere? I love how you blame others for the problems that you are causing. The discussion was fairly civil before you came in. Anyway, from other threads you have participated in i already know well enough that you can't have a civil discussion, like that vegan thread in which you compared everyone who didn't agree with you to nazis. Classy.
Post edited February 03, 2015 by Neobr10