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Lin545: Yes, Carmack is guilty of stealing his own work. THE Carmack.
That reminds me of the time when Saul Zantz sued John Fogerty for "plagiarizing" himself.
If anyone ever buys any game from any company ever in the future without doing detailed research on the publisher of the game and all of their past and current business practices, moral stance, where they buy their clothing etc. and do the same with the development studio, every single person listed in the credits of every game and only then once every single person who has touched the game or had anything to do with it passes by all of one's personal polarization filters (You're either with me and my opinion on moral issue XYZ or you're with the terrorists!), then it doesn't amount to a hill of beans really.

I haven't read the linked article, but my thoughts are that it is much in a similar vain as the people who boycott Walmart for $reasons or other similar groups. While they may in fact be noble causes, if one doesn't apply the exact same principles to every other purchase they make of every other item they buy (not just video games, but clothing, food, vehicles, television sets, etc.) then it's just cherry picking worthy causes based on who has the loudest megaphone of the day really. I'm not saying people shouldn't bother championing a cause because of this mind you either. We're all passionate about various causes that trigger us emotionally, but when they're deconstructed (including my own), more often than not I find that people (including myself) do not apply the same principles/morals/ethics/values to everything else in life equally, or even just to all products in a given category for that matter and then supporting one moral cause while remaining blissfully unaware of all of the other 10 million equally unjust causes is merely cherry picking and sticking our collective heads in the sand.

That's not to criticize anyone for cherry picking and sticking one's head in the sand on other issues though either. I mean, it's quite literally practically impossible to NOT ignore other issues and stick our heads in the sand because there are 100 trillion issues to be aware of out there, life is short, we're impatient and seek pleasure first and most people are increasingly TL;DR concerning matters that aren't directly in their face as it is easier to remain blissfully unaware of the multitude of issues that exist out there rather than doing research on every possible thing looking for a negative to shy us away from supporting some company over disagreeing with something they've done etc.

I'm pretty sure that I'd never buy video games, clothing, food, electricity or just about anything if I researched all the companies that produce these products and services well enough to be quite honest.

Like you all though, I cherry pick certain issues myself too. One of mine is that I wont buy games that have Denuvo on them. That's a simple one for me, well defined, needs little research to determine and easy to measure. But no matter how vocal any of us are about moral/ethical issues on a given fine grained topic we have a beef with, there aren't enough hours in the day for each of us to research every company we do business with exhaustively and every product we buy, and if we did take it to that level then I'm sure there is probably a medical diagnosis for it and probably a pharmaceutical they make to cure the problem. What a paradox it would then be if we were to research the pharma company that makes it and find their business practices unethical.

Oh my!
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skeletonbow: and if we did take it to that level then I'm sure there is probably a medical diagnosis for it and probably a pharmaceutical they make to cure the problem. What a paradox it would then be if we were to research the pharma company that makes it and find their business practices unethical.

Oh my!
Now you're just spouting total nonsense. Unethical pharmaceutical companies? That would be like claiming there are governments in the world who act with other than the greater good of their own people in mind, or pull unethical acts of their own for their own selfish needs. Total BS.
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paladin181: Now you're just spouting total nonsense. Unethical pharmaceutical companies? That would be like claiming there are governments in the world who act with other than the greater good of their own people in mind, or pull unethical acts of their own for their own selfish needs. Total BS.
<Posh British Accent> Why thang-u suh. I suhtenly do my best. Anything less would be sheea uttah poppycock! </accent>

(I've been watching a rather unhealthy amount of Craig Ferguson videos on Youtube this week)
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jamotide: So what did Bethsoft do exactly? The OP sucks and doesn't explain anything and the video is 16 minutes long and mostly explains a game I am not interested in.
The accusation (and it's important to remember it's just that...) is that Bethesda continued to reject Human Head Studios' work and funding, drawing the process out until HHS was near bankrupt. At that point they come in and offer to buy the studio out. Human Head refused so all work on the project was stopped. Bethesda claims their work was not meeting their 'standards'. It IS possible considering their reputation had previously taken a hit from Rebellion's Rogue Warrior. That game's only saving grace was how unintentionally hilarious it was. Check out some funhaus vids on it if you want a bit of comedy! HHS contends that no, the game was amazing and Bethesda was just bankrupting them to acquire them. A good counterpoint they have is that if their work was so poor why would Bethesda want to buy them? However another counterpoint was the situation with id Software's Doom. Bethesda wasn't happy with the direction the game was going and urged them (perhaps forced) to rework the project and this was AFTER they had been acquired. The awesome end product speaks for itself.

This whole Prey 2 thing happened right around the same time many other studios were joining up with Bethesda as well. Arkane, id Software, Tango Gameworks and Machinegames were all acquired around the same time. Doesn't necessarily mean they were all coerced in the same manner either, again assuming the accusation is true in the first place.

Personally hope it's either untrue or a one time deal as I absolutely love most of the studios under Bethesda. I love the work of all 4 of those studios I mentioned earlier, especially id Software (massive id fanboy!) and Arkane! Absolutely loved Tango's first game Evil Within. Didn't like what MachineGames did with Wolfenstein with the HEAVY focus on downer story telling, but I did quite like Old Blood.
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JK41R4: I'm just going to point out to Maxime here that unless he stole his computer, and is bumming off of someone else's internet, he is also supporting unethical practices by continuing to post here, by his own logic.
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I don't get your point here. Could you explain please so I understand?
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I stopped supporting Bethesda since Fallout 3. But I get your point (which doesn't seem to be the case of many) : don't financially support ill-mannered outlets.
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Potzato: I stopped supporting Bethesda since Fallout 3. But I get your point (which doesn't seem to be the case of many) : don't financially support ill-mannered outlets.
Regardless of whether their "ill manners" have been proven or not?

So all you need in order for you to punish someone is an accusation?

Very well. The OP is a thief, rapist, and murderer. Boycott him.
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MaximeMartyr: Then Bethesda reacted like a man who wants a woman but the woman doesn't want him so the man gets mad and does everything to make the woman suffer out of revenge.
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viperfdl: I think you got something wrong here. Men don't do things like what you wrote. Women would do such things like for example spreading rumours over a man who doesn't act like he is supposed to or hurt him psychologically when ever possible. We men aren't better. We just do things differently. We just take what we want by force.

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I can understand you and your motive. But I doubt that there would be many gamer that will support you. Asking gamers to boycott a game, is like asking an addict to reduce his drug consumption. And when I think about it that is totally normal in consumerism...

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Grammar.
Actually, both men and women use psychological violence.
The point is not to support me. The point is to support justice. To not reward an unethic society with our money.
I am not saying that we shouldn't play video games anymore. I am saying that buying this particuliar game will reward an unethic publisher who treats developers really badly and who doesn't give a fuck about sabotaging video games for their own selfish greedy interests. Bethesda doesn't care about video games, doesn't care about about developers, doesn't care about players, cares only about money.
I think that anyone who loves video games wouldn't want to profit to someone who shits on video games.
And "normal" is a word which doesn't mean anything to me. Because I think that we make norms so they could be anything we want them to be. Meaning that it is not up to us to conform to norms. It is norms which conform to us.
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jamotide: So what did Bethsoft do exactly? The OP sucks and doesn't explain anything and the video is 16 minutes long and mostly explains a game I am not interested in.
I summed it up in the original post though...
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I didn't want to say anything before, but that's the impression I got as well from their avatar.
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MaximeMartyr: I am saying that buying this particuliar game will reward an unethic publisher who treats developers really badly and who doesn't give a fuck about sabotaging video games for their own selfish greedy interests. Bethesda doesn't care about video games, doesn't care about about developers, doesn't care about players, cares only about money.
All of the above is based on nothing but some guy's musings. You take it as gospel and that's your right, but if you want others to believe it as well, you better provide concrete evidence.

Please answer this: www.gog.com/forum/general/if_you_have_any_dignity_then_you_will_boycott_prey_and_bethesda/post43

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jamotide: So what did Bethsoft do exactly? The OP sucks and doesn't explain anything and the video is 16 minutes long and mostly explains a game I am not interested in.
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MaximeMartyr: I summed it up in the original post though...
No you did not. You made a lot of accusations, but provided NO PROOF. Why should anyone believe you?
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USERNAME:MaximeMartyr#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:69#Q&_^Q&Q#I am saying that buying this particuliar game will reward an unethic publisher who treats developers really badly and who doesn't give a fuck about sabotaging video games for their own selfish greedy interests. Bethesda doesn't care about video games, doesn't care about about developers, doesn't care about players, cares only about money.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:69#Q&_^Q&Q#
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USERNAME:MaximeMartyr#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:69#Q&_^Q&Q#I summed it up in the original post though...#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:69#Q&_^Q&Q#
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Bethesda sees game at E3, likes it so much that it offers to buy HHS, is rebuffed, and suddenly discovers that it has "quality standards" that aren't being met.

There's your summation.
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People do get convicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence. IMO, the timeline and Bethesda's pathetic track record re "quality standards" are damning enough that I find it wholly undeserving of the benefit of the doubt.
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MaximeMartyr: Greeting players-mates!
Well, this is pretty par for the course when it comes to Bethesda. I personally hate the games they make (all the same, generic, broken, buggy, garbage), but they are one of the truly bad companies out there.

refusing to pay bonuses.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/obsidian-denied-bonus-over-new-vegas-metacritic-score-studio-head/1100-6366337/

https://www.engadget.com/2012/03/15/obsidian-missed-fallout-new-vegas-metacritic-bonus-by-one-point/

They sued Mojang because they used "scrolls" as title for the game, as if Bethesda is the only company that can use the word "scrolls" in a game.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/03/16/bethesda-and-mojang-settle-scrolls-lawsuit/#746bd51b52d4

http://www.mojang.com/2012/03/scrolls-will-be-scrolls/

The PS3 version of Skyrim was a completely unplayable pile of crap, Bethesda knew the problems existed released it anyway, and then released patches that made things worse and joked about it.

Bethesda also sued to take control of complete Fallout rights, even though they had the opportunity to buy them outright to begin with, they chose not to buy the rights outright and only bought single-player rights for three games.

https://vrworld.com/2012/01/05/timeline-bethesda-settles-with-interplay2c-saves-face-and-fallout-franchise/

http://www.gamepressure.com/e.asp?ID=190

https://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/bethesda-settles-all-fallout-ip-related-lawsuits/
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richlind33: People do get convicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence. IMO, the timeline and Bethesda's pathetic track record re "quality standards" are damning enough that I find it wholly undeserving of the benefit of the doubt.
I would have agreed but what gets them the benefit of the doubt in my opinion is the backlash they got over Rogue Warrior and how they handled the Doom reboot. Both are evidence of them actually caring about 'quality standards'.

Believe me, I've got plenty to complain about as far as Bethesda goes but I've also seen some very cool moves on their behalf. Game types that no other publisher would touch and allowing devs time to finish rough projects to name a few. Take them any day over Activision or EA.