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Posted May 25, 2015
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Post edited May 25, 2015 by NoxTM
Posted May 25, 2015
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DProject: I highly doubt that they would lie this way; putting words into a 3rd party's mouth. That could easily mean a court case on the grounds of denigration (I hope I'm using that word correctly), if it would start negatively affecting GOG's customer base.
Well, you can twist words in a way that a quote isn't a lie, but implies something that never has been said: "Game is good. But we can't sell it" could mean "Game is good, but we can't sell it at that price point" or "Some aspects of the game are really good (like the destructible environment), but we are not convinced by the whole product and so we can't sell it."

No matter what it really means, when you just quote these two sentences (or only excepts of two sentences?) many people will think that it means "Game is great, but we can't sell it, because it isn't political correct." (which could also be true).
Posted May 25, 2015
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MrESCTheEscapist: The devs said on their official social media sites, that Gog told them that they "Can't"
So which one is it?
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DProject: I've suspected the whole time that with that statement GOG was merely buying more time for themselves to figure out what to do, nothing else.

Like I mentioned before, very strange move by GOG. Seeing that the game will be sold on multiple sites now, not just Steam, they wouldn't risk becoming "worse guys than the others" if they had decided to sell the game. Therefor, the only (at least a little bit) logical answer would be that by refusing to sell the game, GOG is trying to send the message "if you hate violence in video games - don't worry, because we do too! Come to us, dear future customer!" Then again, this doesn't explain why they still continue to sell games like Postal, Carmageddon, etc. Like I said...very strange move by them. Basically all they're doing, is submitting themselves from the giant pile of cash customers are collectively willing to spend for the game around all game stores that are going to shelf the game.
It is a bad business practice, all they are doing is losing customers. Even if they were sending a mesagge that would not fetch em a profit, and they would only cause a general sense of disgust among their current base.

They won't stop anyone from playing the game, worst of all they are losing money on this move.
Post edited May 25, 2015 by MrESCTheEscapist
Posted May 25, 2015
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DProject: Then again, this doesn't explain why they still continue to sell games like Postal, Carmageddon, etc
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NoxTM: I think Hatred is working on a more 'realistic' approach (well, as realistic as you can get with this kind of genre) whereas the other two were more bad taste but comic book in their approach.

Having said that, and even though I've already written this doesn't fully look like my kind of game*, I think this is a poor decision from GOG that stems purely from fear.

*Seems kinda dull and one-note to me.
The first Postal wasn't like the second one. The classic game was a lot like what Hatred seems will be, different graphics, sure, but not less violent or gory, and there was no comedy or real reason behind the violence. Not a bad thing imo, just pointing out that the first game (currently being sold in GOG) had pointless, gore-y and hard violence. If anything, Hatred seems to have more story behind it than Postal 1 did.

EDIT: The whole talk about quality of the unreleased game made me remember something: wasn't Omerta the first game that featured purchasable DLCs in GOG.com? A not well received game at a high price?
Post edited May 25, 2015 by Alhazred
Posted May 25, 2015
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CarrionCrow: Should be interesting to see if the developers put enough creativity into the game to keep it from becoming repetitive.

Just watched the promo videos and it looks like shooting, more shooting, fatality-like executions, a bit where you get a vehicle and do more shooting, and that's about it.

It can have blood and bodies stacked to the ceiling, but if it ends up being boring, that would be inexcusable.
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catpower1980: Yep, that's prety much what's holding me back from desperately waiting for this game ("wait and see") as it could become boring after 10 minutes (both for gameplay and aesthetics). If I want to go full rampage, I have GTA Online who has much more to offer besides that...
Yeah, thinking the same thing. Too many other games to buy and play for novelty items that go for "shock value" and nothing else.
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: I also put this here:

Is there a DRM-free version of the game?
As I see it you could only pre-order it on Steam or Desura but not to download it from dev site itself.
And I'm not sure if the Desura version is DRM-free.
This is just worded weirdly:
https://twitter.com/Desura/status/571470792975785984
(It's certainly not my type of game but I'm curious.)
Off topic, but Desura is a pretty weird place for me, I initially got Five Nights at Freddy's from desura, seems Hatred as well, maybe. I was hoping for a Gog release, since Gog usually gives you more bang for your buck. I mostly buy here due to all the goodies.
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: I also put this here:

Is there a DRM-free version of the game?
As I see it you could only pre-order it on Steam or Desura but not to download it from dev site itself.
And I'm not sure if the Desura version is DRM-free.
This is just worded weirdly:
https://twitter.com/Desura/status/571470792975785984
(It's certainly not my type of game but I'm curious.)
Huh, the way I read that is it will have either steam as drm or desura as drm. Just what IS Desura DRM?. I thought they don't slap any DRM of their own, just ship stuff as-is, but the post implies otherwise.

It doesn't make much sense for devs to ship DRM on desura version yet try to get game on GOG without it.

Color me confused.
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: I also put this here:

Is there a DRM-free version of the game?
As I see it you could only pre-order it on Steam or Desura but not to download it from dev site itself.
And I'm not sure if the Desura version is DRM-free.
This is just worded weirdly:
https://twitter.com/Desura/status/571470792975785984
(It's certainly not my type of game but I'm curious.)
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DeathDiciple: Huh, the way I read that is it will have either steam as drm or desura as drm. Just what IS Desura DRM?. I thought they don't slap any DRM of their own, just ship stuff as-is, but the post implies otherwise.

It doesn't make much sense for devs to ship DRM on desura version yet try to get game on GOG without it.

Color me confused.
Can't say I'm an expert (I only own one game on Desura...Hatred), but don't you need a client to download games there? So that it's like Steam.
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: I also put this here:

Is there a DRM-free version of the game?
As I see it you could only pre-order it on Steam or Desura but not to download it from dev site itself.
And I'm not sure if the Desura version is DRM-free.
This is just worded weirdly:
https://twitter.com/Desura/status/571470792975785984
(It's certainly not my type of game but I'm curious.)
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DeathDiciple: Huh, the way I read that is it will have either steam as drm or desura as drm. Just what IS Desura DRM?. I thought they don't slap any DRM of their own, just ship stuff as-is, but the post implies otherwise.
Yes, Desura seems to have it's own DRM system, I've encountered it when trying to play Depth Hunter (which was supposedly DRM-free on IndieRoyale) offline. You have to verify a code online every single time you want to start the game.

Atm it seems that Hatred won't be DRM free anywhere and a Linux port is unlikely too as it seems.
I'm not eager to play it but those are good reasons to not support it at all anyway.
Post edited May 25, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: I also put this here:

Is there a DRM-free version of the game?
As I see it you could only pre-order it on Steam or Desura but not to download it from dev site itself.
And I'm not sure if the Desura version is DRM-free.
This is just worded weirdly:
https://twitter.com/Desura/status/571470792975785984
(It's certainly not my type of game but I'm curious.)
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DeathDiciple: Huh, the way I read that is it will have either steam as drm or desura as drm. Just what IS Desura DRM?. I thought they don't slap any DRM of their own, just ship stuff as-is, but the post implies otherwise.

It doesn't make much sense for devs to ship DRM on desura version yet try to get game on GOG without it.

Color me confused.
So I wonder whether the devs were actually not wanting a drm-free release (as they opted for DRM both on Steam and Desura it seems) and maybe that was the thing that GOG "couldn't do".
(Just a wild guess.)
Post edited May 25, 2015 by Piranjade
Posted May 25, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Yes, Desura seems to have it's own DRM system, I've encountered it when trying to play Depth Hunter (which was supposedly DRM-free on IndieRoyale) offline. You have to verify a code online every single time you want to start the game.

Atm it seems that Hatred won't be DRM free anywhere and a Linux port is unlikely too as it seems.
Ugh... thanks for the info.
Posted May 25, 2015
Me sad :(
Posted May 25, 2015
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Piranjade: So I wonder whether the devs were actually not wanting a drm-free release (as they opted for DRM both on Steam and Desura it seems) and maybe that was the thing that GOG "couldn't do".
(Just a wild guess.)
It also might be that Desura decided to force DRM on as excuse for AO rating or some bullshit like that. It sucks regardless.
Posted May 25, 2015
Huh.

Steam it is! For shame GOG...
Posted May 25, 2015
AFAIK Preorders on Steam have been stopped now, any people that preordered can play 3 days early (16.66€ if anyone is curious).

I think there maybe a DRM req due to the over the top adult content, hence no appearance on GOG.
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