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Posted August 16, 2017
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RWarehall: Still hoping you are scum Darko...
You have made some very strong arguments as to why I might just be. I've already forgotten them, but keep that hope alive anyway.

So lovers only came to you after my #278 post?
Posted August 16, 2017
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trentonlf: You are not confirmed town, even with quad chiming in and saying it's all true. You can be scum and quad town as lovers now for all we know. Or y'all could both be scum trying to pull a big gambit on Day 1. So lose the thought that you are confirmed town because that's not the case. You are likely town I will agree because I don't see scum trying something like this on Day 1, but likely does not mean confirmed. We just need to determine the best way to confirm things without lynching a townie.
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DarkoD13:
Thanks for finding that because I'm on my phone and couldn't find it. I totally forgot I said anything about lovers. I had the right instinct and totally missed it :-(
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: RW what are your reads?
Pretty much gave them. Looking at Gamma and Hunter hard. If not them or need a 3rd, add CSPVG. Could add Darko to that list, but that's irrelevant now. I don't buy oldwino as scum like others. I don't see scum accidentally name-dropping a name that was scum last game so early like that. I figure they, of all people, would be pouring over the roles from last game (not that Town shouldn't). I actually take the "mistake" as more of a Town slip. It's not a free pass, but I have him a town lean with Lift solidly in my Town camp.
Posted August 16, 2017
Also, being real for a second, claiming wouldn't have exactly guaranteed our survival Today or Tomorrow in a lynch since both our alignments can't be verified.
Assuming both players are town, as scum I would have been tempted to leave them alive N1. Obviously WIFOM, but still.
Oh, you're still going with "Darko wanted Lift's name because he's an evil 3rd party". :D

In my experience in mafia games so far,
"naive" RW= scum RW.
Post edited August 16, 2017 by DarkoD13
Posted August 16, 2017
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trentonlf: I totally missed that being a possibility, and it explains why both have been hesitant to reveal what the role was. But why would the role bounce on Lift?? Is it the paranoid thing?
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medamiedo: Because he's my

FATHER

:o :o :o
I get it now and it makes total sense. I'm an idiot and I apologize for how this all went down because now I see that how you played this was the only way you could. I wish you had just told us before your lynch though because I think a no lynch would have been better than lynching you. We might of even had time to persue another lynch.
Posted August 16, 2017
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DarkoD13: Also, being real for a second, claiming wouldn't have exactly guaranteed our survival Today or Tomorrow in a lynch since both our alignments can't be verified.
Assuming both players are town, as scum I would have been tempted to leave them alive N1. Obviously WIFOM, but still.
Claiming would have explained Meda's gambit, probably gets you off the hook for today, but you never know. Actually Lift's claim was timely. I was voting him over Meda until he did.

Didn't consider lovers until Meda's 279 when she said she killed you. I wouldn't expect lovers to put themselves in the spotlight like that, but the 100% confirmed town line is probably more what made me not consider the possibility at all.
Posted August 16, 2017
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DarkoD13: Also, being real for a second, claiming wouldn't have exactly guaranteed our survival Today or Tomorrow in a lynch since both our alignments can't be verified.
Assuming both players are town, as scum I would have been tempted to leave them alive N1. Obviously WIFOM, but still.
Oh, you're still going with "Darko wanted Lift's name because he's an evil 3rd party". :D

In my experience in mafia games so far,
"naive" RW= scum RW.
No, your predecessor was pretty absent and lurking and was pretty quick to turn on Meda. Didn't contribute much, staying out of the limelight. Falls in an early Gamma/Hunter category. The whole "name" thing, the only times I can recall a character name being in play is a 3rd party with a special "kill this unknown person" wincon.

Besides, it's clearly the Bodyguard contradiction. Father/daughter love was a real thing in those sequestered gold mining towns...or as they said in the original Vacation...

Cousin Vicki: I'm going steady, and I French kiss.
Audrey: So, everybody does that.
Cousin Vicki: Yeah, but Daddy says I'm the best at it.
Posted August 16, 2017
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RWarehall: No, your predecessor was pretty absent and lurking and was pretty quick to turn on Meda.
To be fair, drealmer sent the replacement request on the 11th, so Quad probably asked for a replacement either that day or the day before, I just saw it on the 13th because of GOG's lack of notifications. The "turning on meda" was also sincere since he didn't have his message with the qt link at the time.
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: Lift your whole "not gonna provide reads cuz then scums will know" is just ???? on an immense and baffling level.
And this is a misrepresentation. I didn't say 'not gonna provide reads'. I gave you my top scum reads with reasons why I read them as scum. I'm just not going to give an ordered town-read list from most towny to neutral. Town wouldn't benefit from such a list but scum would. As you are no doubt aware.

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medamiedo: Town meta on this site is hilarious. Like, lynching a mason claim on day 1 is the most hilariously awful mechanical play EVER.

Btw this flip is gonna be interesting because I'm kind of scumreading my mason bud
Again a misrepresentation. Lynching a false claim (Mason or other) is definitely good town play and your claim was proven and admitted to be false.

And 'scumreading my mason bud' is a contradiction in terms. If you are mason buds, you are both confirmed town by the mod. If there is a possibility of one of you being scum, you are not masons.

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medamiedo: Sorry dude :(

I feel bad that I got you killed and it wasn't your fault
And now this reads as if you're implying that Darko is going to die along with you. But that would make you Lovers, not Masons! And Lovers can be from both camps - and actually often are mixed scum/town. Or if you used the 'declare love' power which creates a lovers pair, you usually don't get any information about the loved one's alignment.

There was a game in the past where drealmer, being my lover, convinced me to trust him. I was town, he was scum. Town lost. So being Lovers doesn't confirm any alignment.

Sorry. Going through the posts one by one to be able to post before drealmer closes the Day. On to the later posts.
Post edited August 16, 2017 by Lifthrasil
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: Or just incest.
So what? Incest isn't exactly uncommon in backwater villages and drealmer warned us that it might get raunchy. No one else is good enough for my daughters anyhow and Lot did lay with his daughters too. ... Well, he was drunk, but that can be arranged too! ;-)

But on a more serious note: if you are lovers, why the hell did you call it Masons? Why claim? Why lie? And why make such a mess? If you are town, this all was very, very stupid!
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: Guys I love my mason bud he's legit the best.
Darko were you lovers before or after this post?
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: That's p rich coming from you RW.
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RWarehall: That's an interesting comment for someone who claims his role is exactly the same as the last game...

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As I see it, Meda has not explained at all how she can pick any name out of a hat and make them Masons. It just doesn't make sense as a role. There are problems with the role if she selects someone who is scum and she is seemingly avoiding the details because she knows she messed up and cannot explain it. If she cannot recruit scum, she gets a free cop shot. Doesn't seem like this is what is intended.

I find it more likely it a "neighboring" power. Now, if you want to keep it less complicated and as a mod you like the idea of cross-faction chats, you could make it similar but different from last game by giving one of the scum a selection of players. You don't have to worry about what faction the person selected is because as scum, the scum player already knows everyone else should be town (with a chance of neutral).

I think that is what happened in this game. Meda got that power. Decided she could try to use it to "confirm" herself as town, and here we are. She didn't think her plan through enough, so has to dodge questions about how it all works since her initial role claim doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Too many holes in it.

I've given her ample time to explain, and we are at the deadline which can end the day at any time. Neither Meda nor Darko seemingly wants to help.

Vote Meda

For the love of God, let's not no-lynch today...

2nd choice, Gamma. If Meda is somehow town, that last post sure stinks like scum avoiding a town lynch for town points. Also an off chance Gamma is scum buddies and hoping the lynch just fizzles.
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medamiedo: This whole post is just blindingly fake lmfao

RW is 100% scum and Gamma is 100% town for the way RW is posturing trying to line up a lynch on him there.
I also noted it seemed fishy. Is RW trying to say I'm trying to get a no lynch if I'm scum with Meda? Like, there's very little chance this day does not end in a lynch imo.

And some stupid hammer stuff later:
Great job, I told you the lynch was pretty dumb. Whatever. Don't listen to me because "lol Gamma knows jack shit about everything let's just call him Jon Snow cuz lols".
Posted August 16, 2017
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medamiedo: Or just incest.
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Lifthrasil: So what? Incest isn't exactly uncommon in backwater villages and drealmer warned us that it might get raunchy. No one else is good enough for my daughters anyhow and Lot did lay with his daughters too. ... Well, he was drunk, but that can be arranged too! ;-)

But on a more serious note: if you are lovers, why the hell did you call it Masons? Why claim? Why lie? And why make such a mess? If you are town, this all was very, very stupid!
Not the first time I've seen lovers stupidly claim masons. If they'd claimed lovers and meda had explained his logic, I would have been able to reference the past instance. They're not perfect matches but the level of "stupid wagon for not-scummy mason claim shenanigans" is the exact same.

Right now definitely suspecting RW, suspecting trent a bit.
@trentonif The point that made me think you were devaluing my conclusion was you continually asking how I got meda as town, like my logic was bad, but later you came to the same conclusion with the same logic. Can you tell me why you acted that way?
Posted August 16, 2017
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Sage103082: Darko were you lovers before or after this post?
Before. Ever since she sent Quad her love note.
Posted August 16, 2017
Or to be more exact flavorwise, she declared her love to Quad. Notes are supposed to be the communication method.
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