It's explain it or she is probably the lynch. I held off voting her because of the bold move, but with zero explanation about how her power can work with scum as possible selections, it seems like a load of bs. How hard would it have been to explain what would have happened if scum were selected? But the lack of any such means it's probably just an unconfirmed chat. And the fact she's selling it as Masons, tells me she is lying and is thus scum. You have until I get home shortly before the deadline window to convince me otherwise. But I'm not risking a no-lynch.

Your response to everything that is going on is to self vote, then leave a list of people who you don't want to vote you, and do all this at a possible deadline? What exactly are you hoping to accomplish, because what you are doing is not a pro town move.



LOL, I am glad you are playing again :)
I have a feeling I know what you are talking about with meda, and if I'm right let's not break the game as that's not fair to the players and the mod.

Since some of you think I am scum because I am Beverly Hills and she was scum in the MS game, NOTE that in addition to my claim to be town and my certainty that not all characters and roles are NOT the same across both games, there are already other differences emerging. In the MS game neighbors (1 town, 1 scum per pair) were assigned by the mod. There was no neighborizing. And there was NO daychat between neighbors in that game either. In that game, Beverly Hills (scum) was neighbors with her sister, Amanda (town) and Floretta Lynn (town) was neighbors with her sister Candice (scum). No one had daychat. In this game, maybe they do and maybe they don't. We don't really know, yet, And in this game, I (Beverly) don't have a sisterhood (neighbors) with my sister Amanda (who may or may not even be in this game because there are three fewer players in this game). Or maybe she is in this game but we're not neighbors in this version. Yes, Lou Diddle Lynn was both PGO and bodyguard, as Lift claims, in the MS game. Yes, I believe his claim in this game enough to take my vote off of him, but his claim can not be 100% sure just because the same character was both PGO and bodyguard in the MS game. Don't make too many assumptions about the similarity between the two games' characters and roles. Do you really think drealmer would do that? I will be more surprised by similarities than I will be by differences.

Drako or meda: Does your connection (chat) last all game or is the length already determined?

That's an interesting comment for someone who claims his role is exactly the same as the last game...

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As I see it, Meda has not explained at all how she can pick any name out of a hat and make them Masons. It just doesn't make sense as a role. There are problems with the role if she selects someone who is scum and she is seemingly avoiding the details because she knows she messed up and cannot explain it. If she cannot recruit scum, she gets a free cop shot. Doesn't seem like this is what is intended.

I find it more likely it a "neighboring" power. Now, if you want to keep it less complicated and as a mod you like the idea of cross-faction chats, you could make it similar but different from last game by giving one of the scum a selection of players. You don't have to worry about what faction the person selected is because as scum, the scum player already knows everyone else should be town (with a chance of neutral).

I think that is what happened in this game. Meda got that power. Decided she could try to use it to "confirm" herself as town, and here we are. She didn't think her plan through enough, so has to dodge questions about how it all works since her initial role claim doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Too many holes in it.

I've given her ample time to explain, and we are at the deadline which can end the day at any time. Neither Meda nor Darko seemingly wants to help.

Vote Meda

For the love of God, let's not no-lynch today...

2nd choice, Gamma. If Meda is somehow town, that last post sure stinks like scum avoiding a town lynch for town points. Also an off chance Gamma is scum buddies and hoping the lynch just fizzles.

vote count / votecount / vote-count / VC - 1.09
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medamiedo - 5 - Hunter65536, Lifthrasil, oldwino, Sage103082, RWarehall,
oldwino - 1 - medamiedo,
GammaEmerald - 1 - GammaEmerald,

not voting: trentonlf, DarkoD13, CSPVG

10 alive takes 6 to LYNCH

medamiedo is closest to LYNCH at L-1



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I think we will be making a mistake lynching Meda, IMO we need to look at either oldwino or, after his last post, gamma as the lynch. But, the last thing we need is a no lynch because we get zero info if we don't lynch. I want to hear what else Darko and Meda have to say. I will not let a no lynch happen and if I have to I will be voting for Meda in about 7 hours or so when I get up for work.

My hope is that more of you will move your votes to Gamma or oldwino because I think we have a better chance to hit scum with one of them.

Vote oldwino

Can you explain why you are voting for him? How about why you think Meda is a mistake? Do you believe she had a Mason power somehow? How do you think the possibility of choosing scum was handled? Or do you think she was exaggerating but still town?

And that is an obvious attempt to derail the meda train. I think you two are scum together. Not only that self-voting is scummy. You self vote to start a train in yourself, knowing that we are close to the deadline. Knowing that you can hop off your own train and than your scumbuddies won't lynch you. But if you manage to pull votes off the meda train, there is a good chance, that town doesn't manage to secure a lynch on either train and we go into the night with a no-lynch. With the same situation tomorrow with the confusing neighbor pair with no confirmation whatsoever. So yes, your self-vote is understandable if you are scum with meda.

It also fits otherwise: you didn't question her once on her strange claims and self-contradictions. You even tended to believe her after she just was caught at a lie. Before she even explained anything about her role. (Post #73) And you never explained why you are so supportive of her apart from the statement "Why would she play that bad if she were scum?" ... So tell me, why would she play that bad if she were town?

I am quite sure that you are scum and if a train on you miraculously appears, I will happily hammer you. But since we are already within the deadline window and meda is most likely scum, it's better to lynch her. Even if she is unexpectedly not scum, her flip will give us a lot of information and clear up the confusion that town is in. But most likely she will flip scum - and then you will be next tomorrow.

@those not voting yet: make up your mind. We're in the deadline window. If you really, really think that meda is town, then vote Gamma and get his train going before drealmer drops the deadline on us. But honestly, I would prefer if someone hammers meda. I think she's scum with Gamma and I want to see that flip! With the amount of confusion she created, it's the only way to get any reliable information.

I'll be around in a few hours with more but atm I'm feeling good with where my reads are at, I think we probably have 3 scum but I'm not 100% sure.


Town:
Lift
Gama
CSPVG
trent

Town-ish?:
Sage
Hunter

Scum:
RWare
oldwino


Lift your whole "not gonna provide reads cuz then scums will know" is just ???? on an immense and baffling level.

Are you ever going to give a response to anything????????

Instead, we are going to twiddle our thumbs as Meda drags us along to a no-lynch with promises of content which is never going to come...

This feels a little bit town but I'd be concerned about the way he's pushing this at the last minute, it doesn't read like he really wants oldwino or Gamma to be lynched here, it reads like he's posturing and holding a "reasonable" stance before being "required" to vote me to prevent a NL. I don't think it's necessarily scum but the level of posture here is pretty iffy.

"Mistake to lynch meda" -> "we should lynch this other person" -> no reasons why -> "I'll be a good townie and vote medo"

Fair bit of dissonance there overall which is inherent in any scum posturing generally speaking. If oldwino is scum then I'd say trent is a little more likely to be a scumbud here doing basically 100% safe distancing. It's a scummy post but it's not unambiguously a scum post, this post CAN come from town.

(What feels a little bit town about the post is the tone.)

(Although the tone of the last line is pretty bad - "my hope is that blah blah better chance of hitting scum" it feels distinctly unlike how town speaks, there's no conviction in the stance.)
Lasts all game but I'm about to get lynched, so lol :P
Why does that matter though exactly? Like, why is this what you're talking about instead of scumhunting... :/


I scumread you because your content is bad.

I think oldwino slipped with his name and is scum. He's only been reacting to what's been said to him and trying to deflect or hide in plain sight.

I think Meda handled everything with her reveal poorly and has been less than helpful with everything. Her outright refusal to answer questions is baffling to me and annoying as hell, and I totally agree that it's scummy as hell because she should be trying to help us and not blowing us off if she's town. I totally think Meda was exaggerating with her claim.

I'm not sure what you mean by how the possibility of choosing scum was handled. Are you referring to the mod? If so figured he used his previous setup and tweaked a few things with each persons role and ran the game. I could be totally wrong, but from things said already it feels that way.

I hope I'm wrong on this, but my gut says otherwise.

Vote Meda

Oh my god dude. Seriously. Just, no words. I explained eeeeeeeeeeeverything. You just don't wanna hear it because it doesn't suit your narrative.

How on earth am I supposed to know what would have happened if scum were selected?
"Outright refusal to answer questions" BOLLOCKS LMFAO

What didn't I answer exactly? Guess what, I'm town.

Town meta on this site is hilarious. Like, lynching a mason claim on day 1 is the most hilariously awful mechanical play EVER.

Btw this flip is gonna be interesting because I'm kind of scumreading my mason bud and I hope he flips scum here because that would be fucking baller. If he does I'm like 100% that oldwino is his partner but I'm not sold on him flipping scum so we'll have to see.

I think the fact that he never confirmed that we were confirmed town is probably town indicative, but it's hard to say. If I were townreading him (haven't actually read his posts yet) then it would probably be largely for that reason.

Man this forum is hard to read.

trent I'm flipping town, you just hammered - thoughts?

LOL HE WENT OFFLINE