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supplementscene: Sorry I've been unavailable and too tired to have a proper analysis in the past few days but I think I've seen something pretty big in a brief scan. I'll try and get my full analysis tomorrow. But I think we have a huge slip and revelation that Catventurer and his lover partner (I think Joe was mentioned but I might be wrong) and that they are very likely a seperate faction that are a threat to town.

The only game I've played with lovers was a game with Joe and Adalia (I think that was the other player). They were a seperate faction. Town protected them after they outed their role and they won. Even Mafia, who I was part of didn't lynch them. And they won out.
I could be wrong, but I think you might be thinking of Joe and gogtrial in ZFR's Arstotzkan Boot Camp game. That was NOT a normal implementation of the lovers role. That's not to say that CatV and Joe are telling the truth, just that I feel your expectations may be being influenced by what was essentially bastard mod territory.
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Vitek:
Any reason you are still in RVS?

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DkKobaPL:
I Don't know the deez reaction test. (I Am a newbie) Can you tell me what that is?
*checking for mod kill*

Nothing. Phew. Hey y'all. Sorry for coming late to the party like this. I had a really rough week at work and I totally forgot about the game and that it was supposed to start. I assume full responsibility. Since it's Saturday, I will read the entire thread tonight and up my D1 participations. Really heartfelt apologies. I'm really sorry for my absence.
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Ambiti0nZ: *checking for mod kill*

Nothing. Phew. Hey y'all. Sorry for coming late to the party like this. I had a really rough week at work and I totally forgot about the game and that it was supposed to start. I assume full responsibility. Since it's Saturday, I will read the entire thread tonight and up my D1 participations. Really heartfelt apologies. I'm really sorry for my absence.
Ya!!! You're finally here. <3
I was starting to be concerned that you might be sick or something. I'm glad it was just work and hope it won't be too rough on you in the future.

Note - This is an OOC Post. (Don't treat it as game related.)
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Ambiti0nZ: *checking for mod kill*

Nothing. Phew. Hey y'all. Sorry for coming late to the party like this. I had a really rough week at work and I totally forgot about the game and that it was supposed to start. I assume full responsibility. Since it's Saturday, I will read the entire thread tonight and up my D1 participations. Really heartfelt apologies. I'm really sorry for my absence.
Glad you're ok!
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dedoporno: you boob!
LOL

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Catventurer: People who played with me in the prior game would know that when I said, "DkKoba1 seems a bit too eager to vote people off. Hmpf." That I'm essentially saying, "I don't like this type of voting, but I won't do anything about it."
Idk, I wouldn't say that's quite how I read you.

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Catventurer: This goes completely against what you said in post #7 -
I think that was sarcasm. But let's carry on.

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PookaMustard: Maybe this won't be a boring D0
*checks post #4*

Sir, this is D1.

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FrostburnPhoenix: Who is Lady Fate?
bruh, fr?

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PookaMustard: Usually we just sit around goofing off in those first posts and doing absolutely nothing.
I plead the fifth.

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supplementscene: if fascist you
I'm sorry, what? I must've missed something here.

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supplementscene: they are much more likely to be fascists
Nope, I guess I didn't miss anything. Peculiar.

As for the lurker point, it's generally a worthy option.

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Catventurer: day one technically can last six days.
Thank Zamolxis for that, amirite? *nervous laughter* *pulls on collar*

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PookaMustard: It's because I lack the attention span to stay engaged, and the moment I lose it is fatal. It never ends well for me.
Addy will take you places. That or Coca-Cola from the 1800s.

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PookaMustard: due to unambiguity.
Sir, it's quite the opposite. It's because of ambiguity.

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my name is racynge catte: YO YO YO, CATTE IN THE HOUSE. WHAT'S UP PEEPWELFWRHGOUJNAKASMRGNHORR
Probably my favorite person in this game after Joe.

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my name is racynge catte: Vote Joe
I 100% approve this message.

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Catventurer: If I don't last day one, I'm going to start voting for myself on day one on all future games just because I'll have a reputation for having never lasting to the first night to maintain.
Edgy.

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JoeSapphire: o_<
I got a good chuckle out of this one.

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my name is racynge catte: *stuff*
BIG CHUMPY DOOFUS, I LOVE THIS LINE

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Catventurer: Demanding that I explain and defend myself based on something posted in another thread is completely uncalled for. I also don't understand how it is even allowed.
Meta analysis is definitely a big part of this game and wholly allowed in this community. It's even more important to keep things interesting when you've played with some regulars for sometimes over a dozen or so games.
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Ambiti0nZ: snip.
Scene usually plays Secret Hitler, in which the Anti-Town team is the Fascists, and he often calls the scum-team "Fascists" regardless of the game. Good to see you're alive.

Note to all. It's saturday night, and my Sunday will be nearly impossible for me to get online. I should see you all in about 24 hrs.
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Catventurer: I don't understand what you mean by meta.
It comes from ancient Greek and in modern usage it's really used for the purpose of something beyond the confines of a given work, piece, case, game etc. In this case the meta analysis would be outside the bounds of this specific given game and would encompass your participation in any games from this forum. It could go as far as to include any of your posts from this forum, really, but that would be something rare and unusual for inclusion as far as usual conventions go on this forum.

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Catventurer: Vote Catventurer only because I'm too noob and shouldn't have been allowed to play.
Hey, c'mon. That's not okay. Sure, there is a learning curve to the game, but hitting ourselves with the shovel over the shins is self-defeating.

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PookaMustard: Voting yourself out of the game early means you won't really get past the "too noob" level and you gained a few scumpoints as scum only really self-vote to cut the day early and provide less info to Town e.g. reactions and other players' votes. I get that you're frustrated right now, but self-voting will make your frustration worse, not better.
I wholeheartedly approve. It's not a good look and it doesn't add any value to your experience either.

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Vitek: (Unless they are GR. In that case they'll expalin to you they forgot what their whole world-view was 5 hours ago.)
New phone, who dis?

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Vitek: Now it seems like you are the one defending scene.
Noteworthy observation.

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Catventurer: go get some more experience elsewhere with other less experienced people.
You're unlikely to find yourself in the circumstance where you join an entire game full just of newbies. As for most of the people here, I'm sure they don't mind newbies. Quite the contrary, for some it's fun to explain and go over game mechanics with others. Plus, newbies provide new people to play with so the game becomes less meta-intensive.

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JoeSapphire: Don't do this. Pretty please? For me? :)
THIS IS GROUNDS FOR REFUSAL

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Microfish_1: Vote Lift
because he wants to exist RVS before everyone shows up. I think that's the case, anyway.
Idk. Hindsight 20-20, but it took me some 4 days to show up. Hope y'all got past that stage.

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Vitek: That said, CatV seems a little bit too jumpy from those fairly mild questions.
It's kind of on par with previous game tbh. Wouldn't say it's alignment indicative, but I do only have one data point for analysis.

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supplementscene: Or they throw shade at a player for unreasonable reasons.
Hey, hey, hey there, now. Woah, buddy. Now you're the one throwing shade at me.

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DkKoba1: *edited post*
Why is there no warning for editing addressing this post?

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DkKoba1: Check page number.
??

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Vitek: DkKoba volunteered to be vigged. Awesomesauce.
If only I was granted day shots again. Damn it!

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supplementscene: Could one of these rascals be trying my not so successful tactic?
Pls, I'm a pro.

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supplementscene: AmbitionZ [is] the most evil force in the universe.
[url=https://i.discogs.com/Svitnq5RBBGyfOfuJOZGZlWjKfCqxH_-s-Di5EznrOY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:782/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9BLTQxOTY3/Ny0xNTg1Mzk4OTQz/LTU5MTkuanBlZw.jpeg]*ahem*[/url]

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Lifthrasil: Are you against exiting RVS? If so, why? It's a goofy, pointless exercise at the start of the game, when there is nothing better to do. But why prolong it, just because some people lurk? Do you see any benefit of a longer RVS stage for Town? Or do you just want to postpone real discussions as far as possible, because you want Town to have less time for real discussions?
I tend to agree. You know me. I'm the realest.

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FrostburnPhoenix: I Want to hear DkKoba1's reason for voting Catv first before I say any more.
Scummy if explanation once Dk answers isn't good.

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FrostburnPhoenix: He's probably using the scumtell pooka mentioned above, where lift being vigilant early is scummy. I Think someone mentioned it last game at some point.
In the game he moderated? Do please show us where.

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PookaMustard: Only go for lynching the lurkers if you have actually put in the work scumhunting and found nothing conclusive about any of the active participants. I'd rather have a lynch of someone who yields more information than someone who barely shows up giving us just about nothing to work with.
There are drawbacks and benefits to this.

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DkKoba1: im more experienced at mafia than you think. I pr hunt as town and more.
As for hero shot, im commonly a target of ego players thinking they're about to carry.
Oh, boy.

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detective_razza: i have arrived on the thread, hello everyone old and new B)
Do you have any embarrassing stories of Joe?

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PookaMustard: Well, I'd still like to know who's the wallpost guy. I don't really like you calling yourself an experienced player yet not answering a question that I bet I'm not the only one asking.
It's like we're in college all over again and everyone is a "hardcore drinker" 'til they puke their guts out on their H&M clearance shirts from chugging PBR like amateurs.

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DkKoba1: *second edited post with ego sprinkled on top*
Sir, stop.

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DkKoba1: *third edited post*
I'm assuming this is because you post before waiting 10 minutes for the forum software to not merge posts, am I right?
Please give a grace period of 10 minutes between consecutive posts if nobody has posted after you.

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JoeSapphire: ah there we go. how do i look?
Beautiful.

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JoeSapphire: Yeah DK asked to join a game after the mafia universe championship game. We have a professionale among us! Everybody be cool!
Bby, I'm always cool. But it might be because I'm a deathly vampire and all that. Hard to tell.

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JoeSapphire: @Anybody, everybody What's distressing you most about the game right now?
So far it seems guch, but I just got started. Also, unsalted peanuts and green olives work tremendously together for some reason.
bump if needed
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my name is racynge catte: It's not a strong indicator of anything.
It could be with enough data points and marginal changes over time.

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my name is racynge catte: BCD
I require explanation, please.

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PookaMustard: I think he's just another yogsloth. Except I'm not familiar with this version of yogsloth :D
What would a game with the two of them look like? Immovable Objects meets Unstoppable Force?

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Microfish_1: Because I know how difficult or maybe frustrating it is to show up late and have everyone else scum hunting before you've a chance to hang up your hat, pull out a chair, sit down, crack open your can of pepsi, say, "hi", etc. I don't propose this phase continues after everyone ahs shown up. It's more like being courteous and not stampeding the just-arrived person. once 48 hours has passed, their absence is outside the usual rules and therefore on them.
Yes, I agree. Except for the Pepsi. This is a Coca-Cola household.

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detective_razza: i do have a power role but nothing that would sabotage town?
Oh, interesting. Okay. Are you asking us if your role is or isn't damaging to town?

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detective_razza: :’))
emoticon and now this? What is with the yahoo messenger writing? I feel like I'm back in late 00s Romania.

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Lifthrasil: where you come from?
Damn migrants! Oh, wait...

Still. Don't California my Arizona!

Okay, folks. I made it through 150 posts, but it's getting to 3 AM here and my head is hurting. I will finish the rest tomorrow sometime in the PM.
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supplementscene: Sorry I've been unavailable and too tired to have a proper analysis in the past few days but I think I've seen something pretty big in a brief scan. I'll try and get my full analysis tomorrow. But I think we have a huge slip and revelation that Catventurer and his lover partner (I think Joe was mentioned but I might be wrong) and that they are very likely a seperate faction that are a threat to town.

The only game I've played with lovers was a game with Joe and Adalia (I think that was the other player). They were a seperate faction. Town protected them after they outed their role and they won. Even Mafia, who I was part of didn't lynch them. And they won out.
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my name is grompy catte: I could be wrong, but I think you might be thinking of Joe and gogtrial in ZFR's Arstotzkan Boot Camp game. That was NOT a normal implementation of the lovers role. That's not to say that CatV and Joe are telling the truth, just that I feel your expectations may be being influenced by what was essentially bastard mod territory.
Yes that was the game. If the Joe Gogtrial faction was unusual and normally lovers are Town then I've obviously made a mistake here.

Unvote Catventurer
Just a short notice: it's weekend. I'm mostly absent. I'll read tomorrow.
I do think lovers are more often town+town. When I asked if I had confirmation the other was town dedo told me if I was supposed to it would be in the role description already. But seeing Catv's play I've decided that's just meant to make me paranoid.


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my name is racynge catte: BCD
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Ambiti0nZ: I require explanation, please.
XD come on, you know this: it stand for "big....
Okay I've re-read and a few thoughts

Catventurer is all over the place this game. Voting on self to take him L3. I thought he was town because of this. But then my ignorance about the role of Lovers having only had them once where they were another faction made me think they were a seperate faction this game too. It's possible they still could be but if it's true that them being a different faction is unusual we'll run with them being semi confirmed town. It's really bad play for Catventurer to reveal he and Joe are Lovers because surely Scum will get a double hit over night.

Having said that, based on this:

FrostburnPhoenix when talking to Lift said he is happy to lynch CatV even if he is a Lover and Town even though it will kill 2 Town players 'because they will get killed anyway'. This is anti-town play. Even if they are 2 Town Lovers, Mafia would at least have to use 1 night kill to kill them both. This in itself is highly suspect to want to lynch them.

Then I have to ask, how has FrostburnPhenonix being solving the game? He's definitely following the game. But for me it looks like he's been jumping on whichever wagon maybe likely to get going and take off whether it is Catventurer, DkKoba 1 or detective_razza. My problem goes beyond this because I've tended to see CatV as Town. Razza sounded town in his role claim and the fact he got to L2 so quickly off what looked like a joke without anyone but myself clarifying whether it was a legit day cop claim. Dkkoba I think he has no Scum benefit from joking about a Day Cop claim, it's bad play from either role in my view. So on that basis he's probably town also. Now as Townees we all will vote for Town players as town at some time but I think FrostburnPhenonix is too keen to get on any viable wagon.

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Lifthrasil: About Razza: yes, I see Razza leaning Town and yes, as a result of the joke/test. So yes, if it was a test it had some merit, but at a far too high price. The price being the reveal out of a Town PR without that PR ever having had a chance of doing something useful. So, again, such a joke/test is more useful to scum than to town.
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FrostburnPhoenix: I'm a PR shoot me.
I don't like this either. Is he trying to put Town off voting for him by hinting he has a role? And if he has a role and Mafia night kill him, it's bad in itself.

Vote FrostburnPhoenix

I'm also still happy with an Ambitionz lynch Coming late to the party because of other life commitments is fine. But I think his responses are all quite superfiscial with no deep analysis at all. He doesn't seem to have any thoughts on the interractions between players.
what is a classic deez reaction test?