I found it quite apparent to not be real claim. Then people started to take it seriously and it threw me off.
It had unexpected consequence but to aplly LAL at it is frankly bonkers.

Razza using B) is 100% innocent. Even I know that is the glasses / sunglasses smiley.
It would be no different than if I dropped a random cat kaomoji in a post, which I am going to do so because the rest of this post is not going to be happy and joyful. Please refer back to cat kaomoji for any cuddling needs you may have. It's the best I can do for you:

=^._.^= ∫


I'm sure that those of you who were in the prior game where I was all over Frost after I thought he was lying about his experience and therefore mafia because mafias are all liars have been very eagerly waiting to see how I would react to the new turn of events. Let's get that vote change you saw coming out of the way before I reply to anyone or share any thoughts on the matter:

unvote detective_razza

vote DkKoba1


Yep! Yep! Unless you have a game where everyone has a special power, most people are going to be vanilla. All vanilla players are totally dependent on their teammates to be honest. Even among the people that do have special powers, some of them (like the Doctor) have no means of gathering information for themselves. They are also totally dependent on their information gathering teammates to be honest because they cannot do it for themselves either.

Also saying that, I really don't like DkKoba1's outright blatant lie. (See Post #124.)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_game_77_masters_of_the_universe_edition/post124


I like even less that he claims it was an obvious joke. (Post #130)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_game_77_masters_of_the_universe_edition/post130

Maybe DkKoba1 really is just doing this for shits and giggles. I don't find it funny at all. I don't see anyone else laughing either or expressing joy in their posts.

It also something that I'm not going to be able to get past to the extent that everything he says will be viewed with suspicion for the remainder of the game. Regardless of who he puts up for vote next, I'm going to be thinking that it's just more of his non-funny jokes.


Also Consider this, Seriously:
1. DkKoba fake role claims day copy and makes a false claim that Razza is mafia, which he actually did.
2. What if Razza was lynched and revealed to be the town-aligned night cop, doctor, or any other town role with night actions that can help the town.
3. What if DkKoba is lynched on day 2 and revealed to be something like town vanilla, which is a job that exists to act as a herd for the town power roles to hide among.

The attached image expresses how I would feel better than I could convey with text alone.


Side Note - It's now 9am, and my cat needs to go to the vet today for a follow-up appointment in about four hours. I have some stuff to do before then, so next post in about 5ish hours if not sooner.

Also thank you very much @catte for answering my questions. :)

y'all never heard of reaction tests and it shows :X

No what?


Well, this means we have a culture clash here. But it also means that, if you are Town, you play against your own team. Playing intentionally scummy as Town - and lying is scummy - may be a benefit for you over many games. Because it establishes a Meta, that you are scummy as town and it helps with being unreadable. But it is not a benefit for your team in those cases where you are Town. And Mafia is supposed to be a team game.

So, this admission of lying as Town is either a bold move from Scum!you or and admission of solo-play by NAI!you. Either way, I don't like it. Look at the effect of your 'joke'. If razza is Town, you caused them to reveal that they have a PR. Which is something that scum shouldn't know on D1. So if razza AND you are Town, you just played against your own team.


Can you explain to me, why you did put so much trust in Koba's 'claim', to cast a fifth! vote on Razza, based on that claim alone? Or was it just convenient that you could cast a vote, putting someone on L-2 without taking any blame on yourself? 'Oh no, a mislynch? Not my fault. I trusted the Daycop!'

Sure, you took your vote back now. But still it was a very rash ... and not very towny ... move to vote someone to L-2 so fast on D1 based on a dubious claim.


Oh yes, we have heard of those. That's the normal excuse that scum give after being caught at being scummy. "It was a reaction test, really!" ... We had that quite often here, until the excuse stopped working. Especially the 'test' along the lines "I behave scummy intentionally and anyone calling me out for it has to be scum!" is a test that will never work. If you behave scummy, people will call you out on it independent of alignment. So this kind of 'test' is usually not attempted by Town, but often by Scum as an excuse.

Sure, there are genuine reaction tests. Putting pressure on someone and seeing how they react. And then there are fake reaction tests, which are claimed as reaction to being questioned oneself. Your 'reaction test', using a lie to boot, falls rather in the latter category.

“it was a reaction test” is like the mafia equivalent of “it was a social experiment”, just a major backtrack if you ask me…
had the vote wagon worked, you probably wouldn’t have revealed that it was just a joke until it was too late-

regardless, first your ‘daycop’ read on me was a joke and now your role claim is just a joke- if so, you’re just making yourself look really unreliable-

vote DkKoba1

trying to figure out whos using my playstyle as an excuse to shitpush me or just is genuinely confused that people can play differently than them

Anyone with good mafia experience can look at how i pushed razza and see it was blatantly meant to sort them.

Its a ridiculous mech claim meant to not trick anyone who knows how to play mafia. (Swruously. "I daycopped this post", how does anyone interpret that as anything but a joke?)

Now even if the target is of this mind - they will still subconsciously react differently.

I didnt think i would need explain all my play explicitly but here we are.

I will state im struggling mentally to link posts to player names due to a combination of terrible mobile layout as well as unfamiliarity with everyone except joe.

Im also struggling to post actively as i would normally to towntell my way out of this because of posting restrictions.

I dont think i have made any scummy posts thus far and am.getting attacked for playstyle quirks and to pretend otherwise is lazy sorting.

So you're claiming it was a reaction test, okay. Assuming you are Town, what info do you think you garnered from your reaction test? What are your take aways here?

Did Razza's reaction seem Liberal to you or no indication of alignment?

What did you think of the wagon building on Razza? Town players looking to rightly lynch someone invesitgated as Mafia? Or opportunistic Scum looking to lynch a town player based on what you say was a joke.

What do you think of the voters for the wagon building on yourself now, which makes you the current leader. I can certainly understand Razza being upset with you if he is Town

I'm holding off on voting for you just yet as I didn't actually realise it was a investigation claim until Joe highlighted the matter.

@Dedoporno any chance of giving him a poke or do you think we may need a sub?

Not to be annoying, as I'd message directly to be helpful but I'm guessing that's against gaming protocol.

I have already prodded him but keep in mind that he became "late" just 1.5 hours ago.

I can understand you feel aggrevied that Dkkobba shaded you but could this be a case of 'Oh my God you Suck'?

If you'd have been lynched under the priviso that Dkkobba investigated you as Mafiso, then Dkkobba would be the automatic guaranteed lynch the next day.

That would mean Town would get 1 Mafia player in the space of 2 days and if there's only 3 mafia players there Town is on target to win the game

Therefore does it seem more likely that:

A) Dkkobba tried to get you lynched knowing he'd be lynched the next day.

Or

B) Dkkobba either told a joke or tried to gauge reactions to him saying he investigated you?

I'm not defending him because I don't think he's been particularly useful to Town's cause, but which is more likely?

He also claims to be an experienced player by all accounts.

If anyone read my posts(like actually read) theyd see that I said razza had a towny reaction.

VOTE COUNT (up to #146)

JoeSapphire 2 - Catte (#33), DkKoba1 (#124)
DkKoba 2 - Catventurer (#137), detective_razza (#140)
detective_razza 1 - Vitek (#41)
Lifthrasil 1 - Microfish_1 (#59)
Ambiti0nZ 1 - supplementscene (#70)

Closest to lynch - JoeSapphire and DkKoba at L-5. It takes 7 to lynch.

Not voting - Ambiti0nZ, PookaMustard, Lifthrasil, FrostburnPhoenix, JoeSapphire

Day 1 will end in approximately 4 days.

Yeah I don't agree with the current case against you, I just don't like how you refused to answer my question and lied. If not for that you'd lean decently town.

There's two reasons, but I'll try to not to ramble too much.
I'm becoming painfully aware that I am a bit of a rambler. At least I use paragraphs.

First and most importantly, I believed it was a sacrifice move.
Take out one mafia right away, knowing that you will be targeted for the first night kill.

In the games I participated in years years ago, games always had either a Ninja or Hitman. I'm going to clarify these roles because I see that the Ninja is played differently here, and Hitman doesn't exist by that name.
- Ninja is able to be in multiple places at once. Each night, he can participate in the mafia group kill AND do a solo assassination on the side. These attacks can be blocked but must be done so individually. He also appears to be at home in bed by role the Neighborhood Watch. (Neighborhood Watch sees whose house you decided to visit but not what you were doing or who you were hanging out with.)
- Hitman is just makes the mafia group kill unblockable by being there. This ability did have a cool down period as decided by the main moderator.

Although I am finding that the roles here are different, it's not unreasonable to think that the mafia team would have some means of getting around a Doctor. Because I co-moderated far more games than I played, I saw it happen a lot where the mafia team just threw everything they had at one person to ensure their demise just because they suspected that person of having either the Detective (Night Cop) or Day Cop roles.

I'm finding that how you look at the games is a lot different as a player than a co-moderator.

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Secondly, I am highly motivated to not be "that person who didn't vote on day one" a second time.

I think that there is too much being read into my non-voting near the end of day one of the prior game to the extent that in hindsight, I was behaving like a Weather Vane - just blowing in whatever direction the vote appears to be going, even going to far as to vote for myself because that's where I thought the vote was going. I'll try to put thought into things after that self-realization, but I can make no promises for day one.

This has been weighing on me a bit, mostly because of the one game in the past where I was on the mafia side. It's also why I probably come off as super defensive (also realized in hindsight) when anyone tries to bring up my non-vote in that game. I really do need to feed my cat soon as his vet appointment is in about an hour, so I for real do not have time to explain this at the moment. I'm willing to give full disclosure when I return, and maybe it will give some insight as to how I did play when I was on the mafia side. The site isn't around anymore, so I do not have an exact transcript of it but I remember that game extremely well.

I may Weather Vane about for a third time, and feel free to call me on it if you think I am doing just that. But! I promise that if I think that I have any valid reason to go against the vote, I will make sure to let you and anyone else know why I just know that you are all wrong.

It's only about 12noon here, so back in a few hours. <3

I did answer your question, you just didnt like the answer