> I was distracting from Lift? Explain D2 then? In your words, scum!Dess was leading and riding scum!JOAT D2. But distracting from scum!JOAT D3 and D4? Do I have to remind you that mafia is a team and not a single Lifthrasil? Without him, there are more scum. You ride a high horse, that those not on Lift's wagon D4 automatically are scum. Why did you not join Lift's wagon D2? Why did you vote Pooka to be lynched D2?

> I have no problem with that. Same as with Dess, Ettac and Book, if you and ettac pointed votes at each other, we would have a Mexican Standoff. Now, Dess is against Ettac, Book and Gogtrial, while Ettac, Book and Gogtrial are against Dess. Ettac, Book and Gogtrial are not really against each other.

Claim.

I just realized something and it scared me.


Where Yog at with his claim, though? Time flies.

This is the question that lead me to wonder if D2 was a distancing vote gone wrong. You lead the Lift wagon on D2, but by D3 you started off voting for Yogs and then laser focused on me. By D4 we got to an hour until deadline and you still weren't on the Lift wagon. The events of D3 and D4 are what made me reconsider your D2 vote.
In fact the way you seem to think it should buy you town points reinforces the idea that it was a distancing vote. It reads like you feel you're owed town points after putting in all that effort.

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My theory is that EVERY player killed by Mafia is returned back as Stump. Believable for Book's claim? Yes, absolutely. And why need to invent something when you can just tell the truth but not your Alignment? It's the best claim ever.

My theory is weak because according to it Joe is not Mafia since he hammered poor Pooka on D2. And Joe is acting like a drunken scum to me. But who knows, maybe he is a drunken Town.
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EVERY player killed by Mafia returned back, it could be anyone and Book's claim is a good way out of Town scrutiny for toDAY. It could be even the good excuse as to why Book was not NKed in case there are only 2 Mafia players left in game. And I can see it as day how Book would say *Ahem, allow me to make a final vote since I'm a Stumper you know*
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I really don't think so. But IF Book is telling the truth he probably should NEVER put his vote last to reveal his so precious Town role and never claim it even until maybe at L-2 wagon on him. Scum!Lift back as Stump can't help anyone - he is just an annoyance (no offence intended). But hammering Lift to better suit his future claim - yes, of course. Look at me, I hammered those two and they are back again.
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What it's even matter to discuss something which haven't happened???
The *hamerites are*:
- Pooka (D1) > now dead VT
- Joe (D2) > nothing happened
- Book (D3) > resurrected
- Book (D4) > resurrected
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I think Gogtrial is feeling fine and he does what is best for his team, Town or not. But some oddities occur of course, but to tell the truth every other player acts like a super-scum to me anyway.
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Are you going to do it or...what???
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Ettac's only problem is his enormous fixation on Dess & Yogs + someone else. Almost like it's a personal vendetta or something.

This game is crazy. People decide to start thinking when it's less than 10 hours only.

Buck - Town!Vanilla (claimed)
Dess - Town!Voyeur (claimed)
Book - Town!Stumper (claimed)
Ettac - Town!Vanilla (claimed)
Yogs - ???
Gogtrial - ???
Joe - ???

Your lurking made sense of you being scum. The way you talked to Gogtrial was just peculiar. The way Gogtrial advocated for you, was strange. And if you are not happy with "laser focused on me", I don't see you asking, why I did not laser focus on Buck? Why did I not laser focus on Micro? They were always low hanging fruits as you described yourself multiple times. You just keep pushing the same one idea, that I was distancing from Lift. While I have more weird things about you, that don't scream town!Ettac.

I'm not going to keep apologising for being overwhelmed outside of the game and I fail to see why you think it's alignment indicative. Do you think my absence was some kind of deliberate strategy? I don't get it.

Because I did not believe his hammer to be accidental.

For your D2 Lift vote: Pretty much what catte said. I found the way you did not pursue it on D3, and the way you didn't even have Lift in your top 4 on D4 very significant.

I laid out the D2 Lift wagon right in front of your eyes, yet you never even considered the lack of any scum on that wagon, and went right on not wanting to vote Lift:

I see now. Then it Yogs + Dessimu most probably and no one else probably. And Book was telling the truth. Could be, yes.

If it's 3 Mafia players game only than to me it's like Book vs Dessimu. If it's 4 Mafia players game then they both can be telling the truth and it's game over.

One more thing occured to me about Book, in scenario, where Book is scum. I keep getting back to D2, but it is important to me, because I know everyone on Lift's wagon to be town. Which would make all scum on Pooka's wagon, except for 2 players - Bookwyrm (on Cadaver) and Ettac. Ettac claims to have been too busy and missing the deadline. Convenient. And I can draw no other conclusions here. But scum!Bookwyrm would be aware of townies sitting on Lift's wagon. Scum!Bookwyrm could not predict if even a scum!Ettac will be here in time, or if he will cast a vote (yeah yeah, unless they made a plan, but lets not go there). So, scum!Bookwyrm would need to distance himself from sitting with all other scum on a townie's wagon. Yes? No? It makes sense to me. Town!Book could have voted Lift no problem. Scum!Book would not risk it.

And yes, I see a possibility of town!Bookwyrm!Stumper distancing himself straight up from everyone.

Look I guess there's no point me sulking if no-one actually understands what I'm sulking about. It's not just getting shut down and called useless for the 80th time, but also that no-one responded to or acknowledged the actual work I was doing but whatever. i'm over it. y'all can suck baby teeth.

*Joe leaps into action with 4 hours to go*



I'm not scum. Gogtrial's D4 wagon analysis conclusion is neat but wrong. Still I have respect for it and I'm surprised it's not getting more attention than it has.

- I don't see how people can think dessimu can be scum - he's voting lift most of Day 3, lift's voting him end of Day 4.

- It's possible-but-not-likely gogtrial is scum engineering the lift lunch to gain town points. I don't think it is so. And I still believe the logic of the rubbish gotcha.


If catte isn't scum what's lifthrasil doing voting dessimu at the end of Day 4?




I know it's not a particularly compelling argument but what scum reason do I have to vote book three hours till end of Day 4? I've had lift in my scumpile all day, I've voted lift previously - if I'm scum that's engineered distancing. There's little hope of redirecting lift's wagon so I scrapped the distancing work we'd been doing for no reason.

What actually happened is I felt bookwyrm was more likely scum than lifthrasil, and I could imagine lifthrasil flipping town so I voted bookwyrm - with not much chance of it making a difference, but with sincerity.

If I'm scum I know how terrible that will look when lift flips. But I'm not, so I didn't. Then I kick myself.




What are we doing about yogs' claim? dedo? shall we skip it?

@Joe: would you vote either of Dessimu or yogs? If not, why not?

This is what I see: can't vote Bookwyrm, because whether he is scum or not, then if nightkills indeed depend on only Book being alive to become stumps, AND if we successfully lynch a scum toDay, we will have another town!Stump Tomorrow. If Book is town and NKed, it is out of our control anyway.

That still leaves one scum for a fact (though unlike Cadaver, I believe in a 4 scum team). And I am torn between Gogtrial and Ettac. I want to see Gogtrial's flip, but because it felt to me like he is protecting Ettac, I will vote Ettac closer to deadline. If both Ettac and Gogtrial are scum, I could see Ettac having a role and laying low, and Gogtrial being vanilla scum, and making cases.

This is my stance.

That was D2, not D3. He switched to yogs and then catte beginning of D3, and never voted Lift again, even when I made the case that the wagon on Lift consisted of all-town plus Dessimu himself.