Finally caught up, quick two cents before bedtime for the kids: 1. nmillar vs gh vs lift, I wonder if scum!nmillar would so quickly bus scumbuddy GH. Likely no. Maybe?
2. Innocent child: not sure what to think. I have not enough experience to judge whether trent is right or zfr's thesis is right. Both have merit. I'm not sure if it would help enough getting rid of the daychat. Would scum!trent suggest that the IC come forward to make late game easier? Maybe, but likely he wouldn't draw that much attention. If so, bold move.
3. Bookwyrm: we were all more or less lurking.

As for vote preferences: GH and nmillar stand out for now, but no strong preference to either right now.

Yes, he did: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_72_starship_of_the_gods_part_ii_the_infernal_engine/post148

Not a strong tell, by any means. He was aware that it's a weak tell and later still had GH as one of his scummy choices. The other being me.

Back to the IC debate:

Advantages of claiming now: we reduce the suspect pool by one, we make sure that the IC isn't nightkilled before claiming and the IC will still be around Tomorrow.
Disadvantage of claiming now: the IC will only be bulletproof for one Night and will be killed in one of the following Nights. Also, the impact of a reduced suspect pool is much lower at 9 players than at, say, 5 players.

Advantage of claiming late: the impact will be big, if the number of remaining players is low. If, for example, at 2 vs 1 the IC still lives, we automatically win.
Disadvantage of claiming late: we risk losing the IC before they can claim.

Ultimately it's up to the IC whether to follow ZFR's strategy or trent's urging. Personally I would probably claim tomorrow if I were the IC. However, there is something to be said about depriving scum of the day-chat. (Which, by the way, also happens if they Nightkill the IC). Hmmm... difficult choice.

VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - Pookina (#332), nmillar (#372)
Bookwyrm627 1 - GymHenson (#347)
Lifthrasil 1 - Microfish_1 (#353)
nmillar 2 - Lifthrasil (#378), Bookwyrm627 (#389)
trentonlf 1 - Microfish_1 (#364)

Not voting: Catte, blotunga

With 9 players it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch.

GymHenson and nmillar are closest to lynch at L-3.

D2 ends in approximately 2 days.

The last word he said on the matter was:

So although he flipped and flopped about GH's alignment he had pretty much settled on GH being town by the end of the day. Would scum!GH off ZFR to stop him flipping back again? The hope being we'd go "ZFR (confirmed town) thought that GH is town. Good enough for me!".

Ok, given there's only 2 days left I'd be willing to vote for GH. Not so sure I'd vote for nmillar, I wouldn't want to lynch someone for having had a rough few days - I've been on the receiving end of that before and it's not very nice.

I totally miscalculated the votes. In my head it would have been a loss after two more mislynches instead of 3, for some reason I had it at 4 people left alive after two mislynches happened. I still think whoever the IC is should claim as the benefits out way staying in hiding.

LOL, in my opinion whoever the IC is should have claimed Day 1 and a lynch should have happened also. I am in the minority probably in that opinion, but eh I'll still voice my opinion on it. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with me suggesting whoever the IC is claims because hiding is IMO the wrong play for them. I know you don't see it that way and that's your prerogative, and my prerogative is for them to claim because I feel we gain more by them claiming than them trying to hide.




I still play the majority of the time from my phone, but it doesn't make a difference so please continue with whatever length posts you want :)

Sorry for not being more clear earlier......I wasn't suggesting anymore NLs.

I meant that the one NL we already had so far might hopefully give us an advantage later on in the game(if ZFR's math checks out & holds up, which I am guessing it does)....if we don't have a major run of bad luck from now on, that is.

Ending the day chat would be good for town, but (more or less, in a way) ending scum chat altogether....by getting one of the scum via lynch.....would (i'm guessing) probably be even better.

Hmmm nobody called me out for disappearing for circa two days. Huehuehuehue, starts twirling mustache

I mean, ahem. I like Trent's reasoning, for the IC to claim. But today, the window is shorter than ever to claim. So if we want to make it count...we will need to make it count in the next few hours. The benefits are huge: the IC is hard cleared and day chat is taken away thus forcing scum to figure out or to communicate "in the open." Also the IC will live for at least one day, so you have that too.

Undeniably, but we're making it easier to lynch scum by forcing them to communicate and coordinate here during the Day, than it is to have them communicate in a separate plane of existence.



So what are our plans for this Day? I'm personally not attracted by the idea of even more No Lynches, not that it would have any practical uses now, so please start voting...or better yet, start consolidating on one of the existing wagons. Even a lynch on weak reasons will give us a more productive Day 3.

"Let it go!" -Elsa, Frozen, 2014. I have stuck the song into your ears again, deal with it.

Good point....and it's yet another reason why I want the IC to come out sooner rather than later.

Jokes on you, I play that song at least a few times a week. ;D

Sounds good a plan as any, and since near anyone is as good as any other(for me to vote for):

Unvote Bookwyrm

Vote Nmillar

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Nmillar is now at L-2, everyone....just making sure y'all know.

Before I put nmillar to L-1, he probably should claim if he's IC. I don't want any "accidents" to happen with hammering.

Am I the only one that finds it weird to try and identify the scum team all in one go? I normally wait until we have one confirmed before looking at how they've interacted with other people to put the pieces together.

Nope, vanilla town.

VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - Pookina (#332), nmillar (#372)
Lifthrasil 1 - Microfish_1 (#353)
nmillar 3 - Lifthrasil (#378), Bookwyrm627 (#389), GymHenson (#400)
trentonlf 1 - Microfish_1 (#364)

Not voting: Catte, blotunga

With 9 players it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch.

nmillar is closest to lynch at L-2.

D2 ends in 1.5 days.

Sorry, how do you perceive this to give us an advantage, and what does a "major run of bad luck" entail?