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Vitek: Don't worry, I will vote when I think it is proper time to do so.
When will that be, if I may ask? Right next to deadline once again? Because we know how well that worked out.

(Of course, I say this about several here & not just yourself......players who have done the same thing on several "days" as well)

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Vitek: For trent I found his logic for clearing gogtrial faulty and his unwillingness to explain how he got the read suspicious. I was wrong both times but it is hypocritical to call it flimsy considered you voted both just to get a lynch.
Even more when you also talked about how you find nolynch preferrable.
1. I try/have tried to avoid nolynch a bit more in general (even though I might find it preferable sometimes) because I was/am trying to give the veteran players's stance(a lynch to analyze being better than nolynch) a chance to see if it holds merit and can help town.

2. I seem to recall (correct me if i'm wrong) that after, before or during hammer you seemed to be saying you hammered and didn't wait because you felt Blotunga wasn't coming back and/or had gone offline.

As for nolynch, I prefer it (even if I don't always push for it) when the lead wagon isn't one of my suspects usually out of a generally overly cautious nature of mine......I am a bit more afraid (on average)to make the wrong choices.

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Vitek: All scum say that when doing something that's scum tell.
Not that this one is good one. After all, the saying was invented by me and it is not the strongest of things.
They likely do....thing is, I have said it during other times(and iirc even outside of the games) as well. I do so, so town playing with me know my "quirks"(IRL issues) and don't unwisely think them as AI as they usually would be with others, and then mislynch me due to gauging me like any other player.

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Vitek: Good day to you.
Offtopic: Sorry btw if I came off a bit strongly there.....I felt a bit that my IRL reasons were not being given the respect/courtesy usually given to such in these games.

With that said, i'll be moving on as well from that topic.
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nmillar: Because a re-read brought up the "witch" thing, which suggested you have information on GH. Any information on anyone at this stage, even clearing someone, is useful, is it not?
What were you expecting it to be? For catte to have positive scum read on GH from that?
If you knew about this thing why did you back away from wanting him to tell everything only recently?

Then in #1007 you dislike his explanation and only 4 posts later you basically exlude him from your main suspects only after he told you it was nothing and he can't clear anyone?
Was that enough to suppress your suspicion?
@phaolo it's an interesting experiment and someone had to take that risk. I don't know yet what to make of the fact that both trains seem to be stalled. But not everyone has checked in yet.

I'll be offline for some hours, but I'll find a way to check in at least once before deadline to see the development and Cattes claim (if he claims) and, if necessary, change my vote.

On mobile with patchy net right now. So i won't refresh before sending and this will be my last message for today.
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my name is magike catte: I'm afraid I'm with the others here. You shouldn't have to remember your opinions because the things that caused you to feel a certain way about something should still cause to you feel that way later. The only reason you might have to remember an opinion is if you made it up in the first place. A fake opinion wouldn't have real feelings behind it so it would need to be remembered for consistency.

That said, I do sympathise about the poor memory. I'm an extremely disorganised person and I sometimes find the game overwhelming because there's so much information to process.
Thing is, I have brain trauma from various events....due to this and various ailments I forget things way more than others do....sadly even my own opinions, especially in such a fast paced game.

Should I write them down more? Yes. Do I? Stupidly I don't(sometimes I even forget to note things down, or i'm just lazy).

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my name is magike catte: How many votes do we have in favour of it?
Wait....haven't you been keeping track? Even just a little?

(If you had IRL that I am forgetting atm my apologies)

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my name is magike catte: You could ensure carefulness by retracting your vote and replacing it with a threat to vote?
Why worry unless you're scum or think Nmillar is likely town?

Also: someone had to make a move or we'd likely get nowhere or have to rush at EOD again.

Now we see if Nmillar is hammered by scum(and we made a mistake) or if we're right(if they don't get hammered after awhile it's likely NMillar is scum imo).

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my name is magike catte: Nmillar seems to be flip-flopping on me a lot. He came up with a good bit of reasoning as to why I'm likely town yesterday but today is still pushing me to claim and reading into puns. I'm leaning towards lynching him rather than GH.
Then you'd be willing to cast a vote later on for Nmillar if Nmillar isn't hammered/revealed to be town by scum doing said hammering?

(Bump Needed, definitely this time)
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Lifthrasil: @phaolo it's an interesting experiment and someone had to take that risk. I don't know yet what to make of the fact that both trains seem to be stalled. But not everyone has checked in yet.
It all depends on Micro, if he gets a move on -_-'
Btw I forgot that also GH could be a scum in this configuration.
What it will most surely prove is if Micro is town or scum.

(well, except for the other cases I mentioned, but there are always a bunch of possibilities)
(also in theory, there could be 1 scum voting another scum, but this seems another bold move..)
Sorry for this, messed up my post and had to redo it this way....post bits are numbered and correspond to reply bits:
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dedoporno: 1. I'm calling for a mass-claim, fellas.

"But this will put a target on our potential PR's backs!! You are role-fishing as you want to know who to kill Tonight!!1!!11!!eleven!!!"

Guess what. If we lose Today we don't get to have a Tonight.

2. I'm waiting for IRL to get less busy.

3. Also was hoping I'd come to see to people agreeing it's about time for a mass-claim which had not happened till now.
1. Good points, which is why I soft pushed for at least some to claim several IRL days ago and am still in favor of it now.
(especially now, with likely being so close to a town loss)

That said I lean you more town now because of this, fwiw, and also would be onboard....i'd even be willing to go first if everyone wants.

2. Offtopic: Speaking of, I hope you and yours are all better now.
(re: iirc your post about your kids earlier)

3. I pushed for at the least a partial one earlier(and even offered to claim myself), but it sadly didn't seem to go much of anywhere.
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phaolo: (OR scum will just make fun of us and skip an easy win.. but this seems ludicrous)
I've seen and been in games where scum just gave up...not much is ludicrous to me. :|

That said, an appropriate time to post this, I think:

https://youtu.be/NAWL8ejf2nM?t=19]Ludicrous forum mafia game go?!?
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(To those who cannot access YT or want to know what it is first: It's a clip from Spaceballs)

(Btw that list of votes you posted [iirc] shortly before your vote leaned you a but more town in my eyes and is the sort of posting I wish the rest of the town players would be doing more of on average...so kudos for that)

(@Op: Above is NOT a vote)
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nmillar: Because a re-read brought up the "witch" thing, which suggested you have information on GH. Any information on anyone at this stage, even clearing someone, is useful, is it not?
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Vitek: What were you expecting it to be? For catte to have positive scum read on GH from that?
If you knew about this thing why did you back away from wanting him to tell everything only recently?

Then in #1007 you dislike his explanation and only 4 posts later you basically exlude him from your main suspects only after he told you it was nothing and he can't clear anyone?
Was that enough to suppress your suspicion?
dedo confirmed the "witch" thing was an in-joke, so that put that theory to bed. Are you just skimming posts?
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GymHenson: I've seen and been in games where scum just gave up...not much is ludicrous to me. :|
Scum gave up? O_o
What an anticlimactic ending..

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GymHenson: Ludicrous forum mafia game go?!?
(To those who cannot access YT or want to know what it is first: It's a clip from Spaceballs)
Video unavailable, btw.

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GymHenson: (Btw that list of votes you posted [iirc] shortly before your vote leaned you a but more town in my eyes and is the sort of posting I wish the rest of the town players would be doing more of on average...so kudos for that)
Thanks. And I hope you're town too..

P.s: I don't think that you're making ZFR's life easier with all that bolding
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Lifthrasil: @phaolo it's an interesting experiment and someone had to take that risk. I don't know yet what to make of the fact that both trains seem to be stalled. But not everyone has checked in yet.
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phaolo: It all depends on Micro, if he gets a move on -_-'
Btw I forgot that also GH could be a scum in this configuration.
What it will most surely prove is if Micro is town or scum.

(well, except for the other cases I mentioned, but there are always a bunch of possibilities)
(also in theory, there could be 1 scum voting another scum, but this seems another bold move..)
This whole post is just off, and the buddying attempt with GH is sending shivers down my spine.

Micro and phaolo with Lift / Vitek as scum is looking very plausible now.
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phaolo: Scum gave up? O_o
What an anticlimactic ending..
Mayhaps....but (iirc) the scum team was more or less done for, some of us were losing enthusiasm for the game un general, and it was only delaying the inevitable to keep the game running.

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phaolo: Video unavailable, btw.
Yeah messed up the link.

Here is another one for ya

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phaolo: Thanks. And I hope you're town too..

P.s: I don't think that you're making ZFR's life easier with all that bolding
Possibly, which is why I try to limit it as best I can.
(I often use it to call attention to certain post sections in case people are strapped for time and want to get to the important/"important" bits of my posts)
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nmillar: dedo confirmed the "witch" thing was an in-joke, so that put that theory to bed. Are you just skimming posts?
Heh, nice try, he did it after you seemingly put it to rest.

I am also interested in the part before he did. When you knew of it and thought it means something, back down from catte, then brought it up, demanded explanation. Where were you heading with it? Him being scum, him outing scum, something else?
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nmillar: This whole post is just off, and the buddying attempt with GH is sending shivers down my spine.
Micro and phaolo with Lift / Vitek as scum is looking very plausible now.
Funny that you say this about that post..
It's where I specified that you weren't the only possible scum in that config, but maybe GH instead.. I basically gave you a possible pass XD
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phaolo: Funny that you say this about that post..
It's where I specified that you weren't the only possible scum in that config, but maybe GH instead.. I basically gave you a possible pass XD
At this point, with things like this, I am hoping we lynch NMillar as I really feel they're likely to be scum.
(of course, if they're not and i'm somehow wrong, town can feel free to kick my keister at the after party)

Also one more link if the above is unavailable still
(Clip is from spaceballs, and the relevant bit starts at 19 seconds)
Alright, as I said before I'll claim if people want me to. There's Lift, dedo, nmillar after his swing, phaolo? Well, it seems like enough.

You guys are going to hate this so much, but here it is:

My name is Manuel Alce from Hufflepuff and I am VT.

None of the breadcrumbs ever meant anything, although I deliberately picked letters that would be somewhat ambiguous. I have been trying to get myself nightkilled since the beginning of the game because I was a little overwhelmed with work and thought the best thing I could achieve as a VT was to draw the night kill.
You thought it was obvious that I used the same method as the last game? I agree, that's why I used it. Well I wanted it to be spotted but hopefully not sPoRtsman levels of obvious. Full list of crumbs:

One - Very subtle, only the sort of thing that could be interpreted after the fact really.

Two - Actual breadcrumb in the format I used in the previous game SgtC (I was DrC in the last game). Painfully obvious to my eye, but perhaps no one noticed it.

Three - More obvious again, G is S. G chosen because there were two players with names beginning with G, S because it could be Scum/Salem or simply Slytherin.

Four - The big one. N is A. I picked nmillar because I was vaguely suspicious of him and wanted to see if I could freak him out (but I was still hoping for the response to be a night kill). A was chosen because it's hard to interpret, I had nothing specific in mind when I picked it. However it instead prompted nmillar to blow the whole thing up, although I still think he's been behaving in a paranoid manner today.

I felt like Micro did me a huge favour on D2 by bringing up the crumb but then pushing too hard, although the mafia still didn't go for it.
I can't wait to see the scum chat and find out if the mafia saw right through me or if they didn't notice anything until today.

The reason I've been evasive today is because I didn't want to give up on my dream of being night killed. If I'd come out straight away and said it was all bollocks then the scum wouldn't go for me. But folks just would not leave it alone so here we are. I still think that forcing a player to explain breadcrumbs prematurely is a silly thing to do but I accept that I didn't handle the questioning very well. I didn't want to outright deny it too much because I was worried the scum would believe that, so I opted for the coy "maybe it means something, but now isn't the time" approach to see if I could pique their interest while shutting down the questions. I don't know what would have been the best approach to be honest.

My worry that gogtrial died because of my crumb was real, although I don't feel directly responsible even if that's what happened. I have literally no idea what the scum could have though G is S might have meant.

I think at least one of nmillar and GH are scum, although both seems unlikely. I'm leaning towards nmillar being scum based on the way he's been today. Having said that, the "witch" mistake came across as a genuine mistake and I'm not sure I see scum!nmillar making that mistake if he knew GH was town. So... I dunno.