dedoporno: To him and everyone else who might have re-read things afterwards.
Ah, thank you.
Lifthrasil: You don't need to know mechanics apart from what is written in the rules. But I would like some input on how you read other players behaviour. Whom do you see as Town and, more importantly, whom do you see as Scum?
I believe, when PR claims come into play and PRs get revealed due to flips, it is important to know mechanics. To see what is reasonable and possibilities about how one thing might effect another.
I can't answer the Town/Mafia question. To me, everyone can be Mafia just like everyone can be Town. It all depends on if I find the right puzzle pieces or chase after the wrong ones. If that makes any sense.
I wouldn't be surprised, if the whole Mafia team is sitting comfortably in my neutral pile.
Microfish_1: Do you still dislike GameRager/Yogs? How do the events of the Day's End and Night affect your views as expressed here?
Do you know what is niggling you regarding Dedo?
My most recent thought are on pages 19 and 20.
Microfish_1: have you figured it out yet?
Maybe, maybe not. There were so many posts in a short time. Or I'm just a slow typer.
JoeSapphire: The general rule is "Town don't lie", if carradice isn't mafia he's certainly telling the truth about being the cop.
Consider - if carradice town, but not cop, then what's the most likely thing to happen when carradice false claims cop? The real cop comes out and says "I counter that claim, carradice is mafia!" Then carradice is probably lynched anyway and the mafia knows where the cop is.
Lifthrasil: Yes. Town don't lie. Or at least they really shouldn't. So if Carradice is Town, the claim will most likely be true. Scum know that, so for them there is no mystery to lift (still, they would surely be full of glee if we were to lynch our own Cop). Or are you speculating that Carradice is some third party? If so, why?
Ugh. Of course. LAL. Well, I guess that means I somewhat think like GR about this. Sometimes a lie might be a good thing. But I see how that might "open the floodgates", if left unpunished.
I thought, maybe we don't have a "real cop" if Carradice is the "fake cop" and no one has counterclaimed. And it doesn't seem to be wise for a cop to come forward Day 1 just to get lynched? But yes, LAL. And noone would know if a recluctantly counterclaiming cop would be real.
A third party crossed my mind, but I haven't come across anything that suggests there are any. But then again, I doubt SK or Neutral would just let that slip.
Lifthrasil: But your argument of Carradice being normally a quite meticulous player and therefore it being out of character not even to read one's own role is something to think about. But why lie about something like that, even as scum? Just so one can say: 'hey, whatever you see can't be alignment-indicative because I don't even know my own alignment'? Hmm. Not a big advantage for scum when compared to the disadvantage of being focused on due to such a statement. But maybe a gamble that backfired?
I thought TownCarradice might say that to get discussion going, which it did. But I forgot LAL. Unless that only covers PRs and whom you might have investigated/blocked/visited/etc.
And for MafiaCarradice: Did it backfire? Carradice is still here, VisitorPR-SPF got exposed and lynched. Wasn't SPF a motion detector (visitor seems similar to that) in the Stanley (?) Hotel? I think I remember that helped Town win?
ZFR: so it could be scum!Joe trying to make sure a Townie is lynched before dealine.
But why did you post this v before then?
ZFR: If Carradice is Town, I want to look again at Joe. A few things I didn't like about him, but I Town-read him because I thought Carradice is scum.
On the other hand, would scum hammer anyone they know is Town and is going to be dead anyway in 5 mins?
Back then you suggest: Joe hammered so he probably isn't Mafia.
And now you say: I don't see Joe at the last minute making a calculated decision in the heat of the moment.
Brazenly (= fully aware) hammered vs. I never saw him as even noticing it was the hammer.
And I don't understand this part:
ZFR: However, this wasn't a strong point to begin with - I definitely wasn't going to lock-Town Joe for it - and Joe himself admitted he wasn't fully aware of the count, so it could be scum!Joe trying to make sure a Townie is lynched before dealine.
What difference does his confirmation make in this context? If he had been aware he was hammering, he (again) couldn't be Mafia?
I will leave my vote there for now.