I thought he put the wagons out of balance by voting for himself? To deliberately avoid no-lunch

Uh oh, no, of course not. I think our illustrious Queen is the fairest and the most just being in the world and nobody would do better job than her.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with imprisoning its own people only because they are bad at their job and anyone who would suggest otherwise can either leave this realm or check how hospitable our prison is themselves. They will see it's reward, not punishment.

Those who have not voted to my admin thread strawpoll should do so. I was quite curious and hoped to get 14 votes at minimum (number of people involved in this game) and so far it has been disappointing.
Strawpoll

I already voted for Trent, I think he might have slipped early for reasons I've already highlighted. My vote was on Trent until the final day. Whether I'm correct or not I don't know.

I town read SPF and tried to get people onto Micros wagon who may or may no be Scum/Town. I had my vote on Micro coming into the final hour.

The last hour before deadline I moved my vote in order to not get a no lynch.

SPF told me I could move my vote onto him and it would put Micro in the lead. According to my calculations it would make both wagons level - I haven't bothered to check which of us was correct. Hence I scumread him at this time as we wouldn't get a lynch with both wagons being equal.

I get where you're coming from, but for me if we leave him under scrutiny for the rest of the Day (or game), it will be a distraction. For me at least. I'll be constantly thinking, is he Town, or is he not, or maybe yes after all.

Bookwyrm wrote one time that sometimes you just have to make a deicision. And for me this is one those times. If it's a wrong decision, then good game, Mafia.

Obviously if something major happens (like someone tracking him to a victim which he claimed he didn't investigate) I'll rethink my decision. Until then, I'd rather focus somewhere else.

As trent wrote, looking back at his posts D1, I see the possibility of them coming from someone who's stuck with a role he doesn't like, and having on top of that screwed up by not readinghis PM, gets too defensive. Incidentally, Carradice, this is why we read PMs before posting: you could be Cop.



I.. honestly have no preference. I like a bit of each. But that option's not given.

What made you town read SPF? You found him scummy earlier and only gave him pass for his illness, right?

He just seemed genuine. I pushed him on his lurkyness. And he said something like, I'm lurky, so what, I haven't seen any tells and I'm always lurky as town. Another posted noted he's usually busier as scum.

Microfish seemed less genuine as a poster

I thought it was obvious this was a joke, hence the meme vote

If Carradice is Town, I want to look again at Joe. A few things I didn't like about him, but I Town-read him because I thought Carradice is scum.

On the other hand, would scum hammer anyone they know is Town and is going to be dead anyway in 5 mins?


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Prepost: Posted in the signup thread again. I need to remove that thread from recent history. Every time I type "mamlaka" in the address bar that thread pops up.

I'm not sure I've played with Carradice when they've had a Power Role before so I don't know how they act when that happens. But in general they are more easy going and try and make correlations of people and things happening in game instead of just responding to posted questions or something against them.

Harry Potter. Carradice had PR every time he was Town.

Was he ever mafia?

To me I get the impression that the stuff Carradice has been defensive about hasn't been the game so much - I had a back-and-forth with him where he was defending his reasoning for not reading his role for example, which felt more like out-of-game discussion. I think outside the games it's normal to see Carradice assertively defending his opinion. What do you reckon?

I know as well from experience that turning up to a game late and getting a lot of attention can put you on the wrong foot and make you feel like you're on an uphill struggle


yeah, last game. I was moderating so I'm not sure if I'm up for evaluating that one

Outside of the game Carradice is for sure assertive in defending their opinion, and if he hadn’t read his PM while he was defending himself here then yes it would be like he acts out of game. His posts after he said he read his PM have several points of trying to deflect the attention onto someone else though. Mainly ZFR and dedoporno. If Carradice was to flip scum that would give ZFR and dedo some Town points IMO, but then every time I think this it also hits me that Carradice could have been trying to focus the attention elsewhere so they didn’t have to reveal their role. Grrrr this is so frustrating running a mental marathon trying to figure this out.

As ZFR said we need to decide early today what to do with Carradice or it will just be a distraction. I guess I’ll give him a pass for today, but I’m still not a fan of how his Day 1 went even after he read his PM.

Totally forgot that that he had a Power Role in that game.

Hey, that's my line! :-)

More than suspicion, just appearing less townie, as Lift will remember.

On last Day, I mentioned that it would be good to have more from Lift on D1. I maintained that he was having too easy a D-1: voting for the guy who did something controversial at the beginning, then staying there, adding little of value. This is akin to low effort tunnelling. Of course, this does not mean that Lift needs to be scum. He has a good RL excuse, just as SPF did (SPF's was better, IMHO, and he did much more of an effort when he started feeling better).

So far, I like that he is considering the doings of more than just one player.


This.

So true. Then, it can easily become a spiral.


Will keep that in mind, to be sure.

Also, it is always fun to have a PWR role, I guess. It gives you more to think about. But think of the championship game in MU where Trent was playing (he was N1 NK, IIRC?). There were two town JOATS packed with motion sensor shots and stuff like that. It was all helping deduction, never being a replacement for thinking, instead of a blunt yes/no proposition. But of course a cop in the game can lead to dramatic turns, and that adds to the excitement as well.

But it might be also that I am missing being in a pure deduction game. If that is to happen, maybe I fall in love with it or maybe I miss having PWRs spread around, and become more appreaciative of them afterwards.


I do not know what to say. After having played as town, neutral, mafia and then full circle back to town, I guess that all have something for a player that is looking for aspects like problem-solving, nice reading pieces and fun.

From the glimpse this player has had of Mafia so far:

Town: Do not need to lie at all, if you play like I do. You can focus on problem solving (something I love) and forget about how you look to the others (this might be risky, though, if you take it too far, I guess). Thrill to find out what will happen at the end of the game-day and at the beginning of the next day. Thinkin hard when performing night actions, taking calculated risks, making your bets. Those who want to kick back and relax seemingly find room to do so, probably even more if they are assigned a VT role.

Mafia: If you try, you can find problems to solve. Although some players can enjoy not having to solve any problem if they do not want to. People who love lying will feel at home, too. Thrill when someone sniffs at one of your comrades. Fun, too.

Third Party: This is where you feel most in guerrilla mode of all factions. Highest effort of all. I had a comrade, and it was both of us against the world. For those completely alone, it must be even more intense.

But of course it all depends on what you want to make of the game: going full fair play and truth-saying or not; being courteous in speech and action or not; solving problems or not; playing it intensely or not. People can do any of that in any faction. It depends on what they bring with them, for that game (circumstances change, as well).

*****


Update on the reads, compared to D1.

Lift, a bit better. He needs to keep sharing his impressions about the whole of the game situation.

ZFR, the weekend did its magic for good. Composed and focused on the task at hand.

Vitek, seems active in this day.

For the rest, in their line of D1. Nothing outstanding so far.