Puzzle-Bot's taking good care of him, don't worry.

I always seem scummy for some reason, guess it's my play style LOL. For me it's Krypsyn and RWarehall, both always appear town to me whether they are town or scum.

That's kind of amazing, considering how often Krypsyn comes up scum.

16 points is silly easy. He just needed to wait for one of his victims to slip or be forced to reveal to save his life and live two days. The only way he doesn't win this scenario is if he is a very early kill or a very unlikely set of events takes his two targets out early. And he didn't need the 2nd kill at all. He met the win condition with the first kill as he had 24 points at that point.

And regardless of what you call a win condition (or the non-game stop condition). Trenton has 21 points after 3 days. 7 points a day. 2 for living and 5 for just reviving someone new.

Meanwhile, each guild team absolutely had to get both kills on their opposite numbers and had 4 people competing with them to hammer. If they lose one, their team almost had to get all three merc kills which is almost impossible.

Personally, I think the points system was rather imbalanced. I'm not really sure if it can be balanced. I think it takes a lot of the "team" out of the game.

And while I did focus on how to reach 20 points to meet the design, that was my goal, didn't care about any more. In fact it was impossible for mercs or most players or factions to match JMich and his 36 or worse Trenton with 7 points a day, where he could break 50 if the game stretched out.

It is almost WIFOM at this point though... ;)

Also, I'd like to think I am getting a little better at playing scum. If I am not, please don't disillusion me; I really like to think I am getting better, at least. :P

Good observations, but at the same time, if JMich missed with his dayvig, he died himself. I do think JMich deserves credit for playing the role the way he did, and certainly he also had some luck, in that, after N4, he basically had 100% confirmed knowledge that his targets were Trent/Hunter, b/c the only other "alive" player who hadn't flipped was you, and you had been pretty out about being the last merc.

Also, it was kinda confusing, but survival points showed on the leaderboard but didn't actually count towards win condition. So at the point Trent hit 21 points, he still had a day to go.

He still had won, he just didn't stop the game. JMich deserves the credit for playing it right, but that was pretty simple, wait until you are sure. Trenton played his right as well. Did what he needed to do to not die for three days. But those were far far easier than the other roles to get to 20. And JMich doesn't necessarily die at all missing his DayVig. As the game went, he used it and people didn't immediately kill him either.

I'm amused by myself because I didn't realize I was scum until a few RL days into the game.

If my daykill didn't hit one of my targets, I would be lynched and the day would end automatically. No "may be lynched", but lynched, as a game mechanic.

Next game:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_35_sign_up_thread/page1

lol I actually completely forgot about this. I'll go over there and post my thoughts.

Hooray! I didn't realize I got a living bonus the first day!

To tell the truth, except for the first night my guards were a little random. I was a little lost this game.


Overall I had fun this game, but I think it suffered from the same problem as JMich in Vitek's last game. There shouldn't really have been a "town" team. I was happily hunting assassins, without even thinking about the fact that I might end up completely wrecking any chances I had to win, as it was, I didn't have any control over it anyway. My scoring seemed rather difficult considering how unlikely it is for a doctor to save the right person. Way back when I first got revived I tried to breadcrumb to see if anyone had been poisoned, but got nada.
C'est la vie.

To put it bluntly, I didn't like the leaderboard idea at all. It doesn't promote teamwork and just demoralizes whoever was prevented from meeting their goals by game circumstance. And it is hard to balance especially as demonstrated here.

As it stands, the top of the leaderboard "skillfully" won by using his Daykill on a person who revealed.
#2 survived 4 days.
#3 got lucky that the Day 2 and 3 wagons happened to be scum and was lucky to be online at the right time to hammer. The only real skill was my use of the Vig shot, picking the correct candidate.

I think its best to leave it up to each individual's opinions. There are plenty of games where the person who played best technically lost but most people gave them respect for it

To put it another way, the game was over for me as soon as Krypsyn died. No way to score any more points besides 1 point per day lived and I wasn't going to "play the leaderboard" as that did not fit the flavor of the role. JMich scored 30 points after most of the players had nothing to gain (Mercs and Leonard). Town was twiddling their thumbs trying to figure out how to end this thing.

I knew going into it that it would be a big experiment, and it might not work out.

If people want to consider different activities, like helping "town" win, and count that as their victory, I'm cool with it.

As for marking who "won" this game in the admin thread: I'm going to say "Not my problem!" :D
Good luck, GOGFather!

That sounds good.