Good one. xD I didn't even notice the irony given this situation.

Here's the relevant line: "2) At least one person who isn't one of those roles (since a player is highly unlikely to investigate himself)." For any given search, the searchee is unlikely to have self-targeted.

Specific example here: If RW searched one of these two, then whoever he didn't search is unlikely to be another Role Cop (depending on how many other searches occurred). The RW-searchee might be a Role Cop; we don't know.

And yes, it will take extra information (ex. watcher, tracker, reviver) to determine who RW may have searched. Assuming he searched anyone at all, or even that being searched is what happens when the Role Cop targets someone.

I suspect that scum thought they'd kill the quietest player (largely because RWarehall, and Sage before him, just did not have enough time to contribute), in an attempt to give town as little info as possible, and ended up hitting the jackpot.

Quadr: Were you joking about the troll droppings bit?

Lastly, even though it's the only bit of info we have, I don't really know if bickering about how many role cops there may be is all that helpful. Yes, there may be another role cop, and yes that role cop would, to my mind, most likely be scum instead of town.

What else we should discuss, though, I'm not really sure. So perhaps we should follow this conversation down our usual shout filled rabbit hole.

If something happened to you at night why would you not report it? Is there a reason to hold such information back? If nothing happened to you last night fine, but if something did and you want to keep it to yourself what is your reasoning?

Asking if anyone else had their packs searched does nothing toward revealing if any particular person has a role either. I'm not sure why you are jumping to this conclusion.

Spit.

I doubt we have more than one investigative role, and now it's gone and we won't get anything from it.

That sounds terrible. This being said, good luck at your new job!


And yes, someone has in fact during the night gone through my brain and got something from there, what exactly I was not told.

Oh my. That poor someone! ;-)

Or did you mean that not as joke but as actual information and you got some info that someone read your mind tonight?

Read just above.

What makes you think telekinesis wasn't involved?

Okay, it must be me that is terrible at communicating.

-I've said "For any given search, the searchee is unlikely to have self-targeted." Therefore, a given player is (most likely) NOT the investigative role that searched him.

What did I say in the first place? "2) At least one person who isn't one of those roles (since a player is highly unlikely to investigate himself)." I've now bolded a rather important distinction that I didn't bold the first time around. For any given searched player, there is most likely some other player that did the searching. While I indicate it is highly unlikely, I haven't even completely ruled out a self-search, for whatever reason a player might choose to do that.

If we have Player A and Player B searched in one night, then we can guess there are Roles C and D that can do the searching; if C searched A, and D searched B, then Player A probably isn't Role C, and Player B probably isn't Role D. A might be D, and B might be C, or some other combination entirely might exist, but A isn't likely to be C (self-searching) and B isn't likely to be D (self-searching)

-In the post you've quoted here, I set a condition ("If RW searched one of these two") to come to a conclusion ("whoever he didn't search is unlikely to be another Role Cop (depending on how many other searches occurred).") I didn't ignore the possibility of extra searches changing the result (see bold). I didn't address what happens if RW didn't search either of them (see conditional); it should be obvious that IF RW didn't search either, THEN the two of them might have searched each other.

-I did not try to remove the possibility of a second, third, or x number of role cops. I also did not preclude either/both of Quad/Dedo from being role cops.

Why do you think it is "quite likely" that the second role cop is scum? How do you even know there are two role cops, as opposed to some other pack searching role? Heck, how do you know that pack searching is indicative of the Role Cop? You yourself have mentioned the possibility that maybe RW didn't search either of these two guys.

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What if, for example, a shield showed up to protect me at night? I might decide to keep it quiet so I don't tip off scum to the presence of some kind of protective role. Sure, they'll find out eventually, but why make it easier (and earlier) for them? But that's just me. Oh, and if I did reveal something like being shielded, then I also tell them A) There's a shielder around, and B) Either I can self-shield or else some other player did the shielding (possibly narrowing the field for finding the shielder).

I'm NOT jumping to the conclusion that knowing the number of packs searched indicates a particular player is a role. YOU are the one trying to credit that conclusion to me. I'm saying revealing number of packs searched reveals how many searchers there (probably) are. What if everyone else denies being searched? I'm sure scum would love to know they only have one more searcher to kill (assuming the last searcher isn't scum) before they can't be searched.

What I've been doing is pointing out why town might not want to reveal who else got searched.

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And on refresh, it is starting to appear that we're all going to reveal who got targeted and what the flavor might indicate about the role that did the targeting. Guess I might as well drop this [insert description noun here].

Two reasons. Role cop is more often than not mafia aligned, and we already had one town aligned role cop. Two identical roles for town seem unlikely.

Flavor wise. A true cop could be searching packs as well, but a watcher or tracker wouldn't. It may be a flavor cop or a thief instead, which may or may not be considered different enough from Role Cop to allow two of them on the same side.

In either case, it remains highly likely that scum do have an investigative role, and we can't yet say anything about the two people who had their packs searched.

Add to that the fact that HijacK claims to have had his brain picked, so my guess would be that the Cop investigated HijacK, and it is a quite different method of investigating.

Yes. Someone forced me into a little shut eye, with a well thrown dart. Roleblocker perhaps?

Oh yeah! I was actually thinking of Flavor cop, not a Role cop, since they took my flavor stuff. So it may or may not have been RW who did it. I never even knew there was a Thief role in existence.

EDIT: My browser crashed and Lazarus revived my small post! Thanks guys :)

The bit about the troll excrement? I believe the phrase is along the lines of "I'm not shitting you". :P

Though looking at the flavour in more detail, I don't think it's so much deliberately covered by someone's action as it is that it happened to be searched near a... deposit and it got covered as a side effect.

Hmm. This business about mind reading. Could HijacK have potentially been RWarehall's target last night rather than Dedoporno or myself? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not certain that rummaging around in people's packs is terribly Cleric-esque behaviour. I suppose it depends on the god in question, but still.