Posted August 13, 2015

JMich
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dedoporno
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Posted August 13, 2015
Role cop. My point was that there were two pack searches, doubtful the same person did both. Flavor stuff was taken from my pack which (to me) sounds more like a role cop investigation.

Bookwyrm627
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Registered: Nov 2013
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Posted August 13, 2015
Not it!
Reasonable (to me) conclusions about the game:
-This is not a pure vanilla game, nor is it role madness.
-There is one scum team (one NK was made)
Reasonable (to me) conclusions about the game:
-This is not a pure vanilla game, nor is it role madness.
-There is one scum team (one NK was made)

trentonlf
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Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted August 13, 2015
Why would there have been two searches though? They seem similar in nature, but Quad did mention anything about items being taken but had troll droppings on his pack instead. Did anyone has have their packs searched or things taken?

Bookwyrm627
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dedoporno
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trentonlf
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Bookwyrm627
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Posted August 13, 2015

It depends on how much information we're now willing to give out to scum about roles. Every non-scum that reveals they had their pack searched tells scum two things: 1) A likely minimum number of investigate roles, and 2) At least one person who isn't one of those roles (since a player is highly unlikely to investigate himself).
Assuming Quad and Dedo are telling the truth, then we've got at least one more investigate role alive; the other search could have been RW.
And if everyone else goes "No, I didn't have my pack searched", that ALSO tells scum something: How many more investigative roles town has floating around.
Talking about the searches that have been revealed is one thing. Asking if anyone else got searched seems a little like fishing to me.

JMich
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Posted August 13, 2015

Comment 2) A role cop can be role copped just fine.
Comment 3) Saying "There is a cop in play" is quite different from "I am the cop".
Whether knowing what roles are out there is more helpful to town or scum remains debatable, and it does depend on said roles.

Lifthrasil
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Registered: Apr 2011
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Posted August 13, 2015
Don't be so sure of that. There could be another scum faction / SK / whatever, who either decided not to use their NK or who was foiled in some way. This possibility should be obvious, so why were you so quick to point out, that there is only one scum team? Are you perhaps yourself (part of) a second scum faction, whose existence you want to hide?
But I do agree on not revealing if someone elses packs were searched. That tells scum more than it does town. Although there is a good possibility for two role cops, so that the two searched packs make sense. Role cop is more often a scum role, since it helps them more. RW was town role cop, so a scum role cop might still be floating around.
Now for some flavour observations: our wizard said this time, that ONE of us did the kill. Not two (or five) of us like in Night 0. Also that kill was done with a boulder, which takes some strength. So if the attributes mean anything, our killer will have a high STR.
Is there perhaps a troll among us? Shouldn't we see something like that? Why did we only notice on his death, that Doradon was a dwarf? Wasn't he just as short before dying?
Sorry, got carried away. But seriously: if we do have someone who can read stats, look out for someone with a high STR.
But I do agree on not revealing if someone elses packs were searched. That tells scum more than it does town. Although there is a good possibility for two role cops, so that the two searched packs make sense. Role cop is more often a scum role, since it helps them more. RW was town role cop, so a scum role cop might still be floating around.
Now for some flavour observations: our wizard said this time, that ONE of us did the kill. Not two (or five) of us like in Night 0. Also that kill was done with a boulder, which takes some strength. So if the attributes mean anything, our killer will have a high STR.
Is there perhaps a troll among us? Shouldn't we see something like that? Why did we only notice on his death, that Doradon was a dwarf? Wasn't he just as short before dying?
Sorry, got carried away. But seriously: if we do have someone who can read stats, look out for someone with a high STR.

trentonlf
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Bookwyrm627
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Posted August 13, 2015

Comment 2) A role cop can be role copped just fine.
Comment 3) Saying "There is a cop in play" is quite different from "I am the cop".
Whether knowing what roles are out there is more helpful to town or scum remains debatable, and it does depend on said roles.
Reply 2) I thought I specifically accounted for this possibility.
Reply 3) I agree, which is why I didn't say that revealing who got searched will auto-find the cop. It is just an indicator of if/whether more are out there.
As stated: I'm not an expert. I've certainly been wrong before, and almost as certainly will be wrong again.
And now a question for you: What is your personal opinion on asking about who else may have been searched?
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Sure, a tiny scum faction (I'm including SK in this) might skip the kill to remain undetected. Sure, a kill might have been blocked. However, until we have some evidence of some other case, the most reasonable conclusion (to me) seems to be one scum team. Did you catch something I missed to indicate more than one scum team?
I offered my conclusions because I'm trying to help. I have no input on RW as NK, I don't plan to report if anything happened to me at night yet, and I certainly don't plan to reveal if I had a night action. If you don't want me to help, just say so. I'll almost certainly ignore such a request, but at least I'll know you don't want me to help further. :P Maybe I can go help Trent; I certainly did such a good job of that yesterday.
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So, why Dedo and why Quad? Quad was quiet on Day 1, so that might have been why he got searched. Not sure about Dedo. Is there any reason to assume either of them are lying about being searched?
Assuming RW did one of the searches, is there a different investigative role that has a different sort of search flavor (don't answer this)?

JMich
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Posted August 13, 2015
So it is quite possible that scum already know who they targeted, and they only learn that RW targeted the other one of the two so far. If there are more than 2 role copes, then they may learn a bit more.
Did it? I thought you insinuated that neither Dedo nor Quadr could be role cops, because they had their packs searched. How did you end up with that idea?
Bookwyrm627: Reply 3) I agree, which is why I didn't say that revealing who got searched will auto-find the cop. It is just an indicator of if/whether more are out there. Depends on mechanics as well. Not to mention that if there is a scum role cop out there, I don't think he would be targeting his team mates. So the "I had my pack searched" could be an added point of information. If we do have two town role cops though, that point is moot.
Bookwyrm627: And now a question for you: What is your personal opinion on asking about who else may have been searched? I would rephrase trent's question. Anyone else had anything interesting happen to him? Having a pack searched is indication that there's an investigative role out there, which should be helpful later on when establishing night action timelines. Having someone being redirected would also be helpful.
Like always though, before revealing something, do consider whether it would help town more than scum.
Did it? I thought you insinuated that neither Dedo nor Quadr could be role cops, because they had their packs searched. How did you end up with that idea?


Like always though, before revealing something, do consider whether it would help town more than scum.

HijacK
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JMich
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