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EBWOP, when I said "I'm not sure until he says who he switched it with", it should be "I'm not sure until he says who he switched me with".

@adalia, I think someone else is the tanner.
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trentonlf: If hyper did not switch my role, you should lynch me ;-)
Ok. Works for me.
Since I seem to have a large crosshair on me, because for some reason the "villagers", drealmer and gogtrial have allied themselves against me, or so I feel, I wonder whether they aren't both wolves.
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blotunga: I seem to have a large crosshair on me
To be fair, even you have to admit it's a very weirdly-shaped birthmark.
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blotunga: I seem to have a large crosshair on me
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zeogold: To be fair, even you have to admit it's a very weirdly-shaped birthmark.
I think it's the pick on the new guy syndrome. I've seen so many theories put up, but i still don't undertand why one of their word is stronger than mine or trents or even yours. Though I'm fairly certain with you that you have a different game going on.
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blotunga: I've seen so many theories put up, but i still don't undertand why one of their word is stronger than mine or trents or even yours.
It's very simple, really:
You lack a Christmas avatar. How can we trust somebody who ain't in the spirit of the season?
That, and the fact that the claims of you, Trent, and Trial's are pretty weak. Trent's looking like I was right on my original theory and that he truly is just inexperienced and trying a desperate move, so I'd bank on him being our wolfman.
Trial's smart, but I don't see that as a reason to consider him non-town.
You're pushing back pretty hard, so I'll just stick the "tanner" tag on you rather than my original theory of Trent.

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blotunga: Though I'm fairly certain with you that you have a different game going on.
Wait, you mean this ISN'T the International Backgammon Festival?
CRAP!


Hey, guys...um...would any of you like to buy some half-price tickets?
@zeo: haven't you noticed my santa hat?
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blotunga: Since I seem to have a large crosshair on me, because for some reason the "villagers", drealmer and gogtrial have allied themselves against me, or so I feel, I wonder whether they aren't both wolves.
Pretty sure that's mathematically impossible. Drealmer can only be a wolf if

a) I lied about visiting him, or
b) I'm his wolf teammate and chose this particularly lie, for whatever reason.

If he was initially w/w with Trial, he'd just accuse me since he'd now be town and I'd be wolf. I suppose technically possible I could have visited Trial and stolen his wolf, but then I wouldn't be informed who he was w/w with, so the fact that I chose Drealmer to defend out of a hat would've been a pretty random miracle.

If I stole minion I wouldn't know who the wolves are as I understand it, and if I were tanner y'all can be the judge but to the extent I can be objective I don't think I look like someone trying to draw a lynch.

Anyway, Drealmer + anyone but me is just not even worth talking about, and in that scenario you should still probably lynch me first. He can't be wolf without me also lying, whereas I could be lying and he still telling the truth.

But I was and am town (barring HSL swapping me) and telling you that you shouldn't vote either of us if town.
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blotunga: @zeo: haven't you noticed my santa hat?
Oop, you're right.
Nevermind, here, have a ticket to the International Backgammon Festival, on the house!
My blood seems to steadily consist of more alcohol than anything else it should consist of, and I'm not done drinking yet, so catching up is a lot more time consuming and demanding.


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trentonlf: I still wonder what HSL did, it can be a game changer. If I had more time at the start (I'm sorry family and the secret Santa event really did take a lot of time) I would have played it different. If hyper did not switch my role, you should lynch me ;-) (I super promise you want to lynch me *puppy dog eyes*), but if hyper did switch my role then I"m not sure until he says who he switched it with.
Well, those puppy dog eyes ain't really working on Hyper as things are. Hyper would appreciate it if you'd demonstrated some consideration for the amount of alcohol in the veins of the Troublemaker, and be more clear.

I still have to read in detail, and then reread, what has been posted, but from a first skim, I don't really see how blotunga is "pushing back pretty hard". I also got the impression, that in all his talk/analysis of the villager claims, zeogold has mentioned blotunga mostly in passing, as in just enough for it not to stick out (much). And I wonder why that might be.

Will do my best to do some actual reading/analysing; fingers crossed alcohol, or sleep, won't get in the way.
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HypersomniacLive: I still have to read in detail, and then reread, what has been posted, but from a first skim, I don't really see how blotunga is "pushing back pretty hard".
He feels to me like he's deflecting recently with this "Why me? It could be Trent or Zeo!" and "I'm a newbie and y'all are pickin' on me!" and "Um, maybe it's Drealmer and Gogtrial! Just not me!" business. It feels...off.

I haven't mentioned Blotunga much as of yet since until now, he hadn't posted enough for me to get a feel on him. But now? I'm gettin' some feels, and I don't like 'em.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/84/88/918488a635f11a28697ae168c892d2d6.jpg
The problem is that we (presumably) have a minion, tanner, and wolf in play, meaning that, assuming we can't lynch the vote, our chances are a bit shaky. It's hard to tell who's baiting and who's legitimately trying to cover their tail. I'd feel more comfortable if we had two wolves, but one? Gotta pay even closer attention than normal.

Also, could you please finally say who you swapped? If you caught our minion or wolf, you could crack this game wide open if one of them spills the beans.
Edit via post: That should be "split" the vote, not "lynch" the vote. I'm not sure how I roped myself into that one.
Heh. Geddit? "rope" myself. Heheheheh. It's a pun, y'see, and....um....
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...*ahem*...
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*sigh*...not even a pity chuckle or even so much as an acknowledging boo.
Oh, well. I guess no noose is good news.
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zeogold: He feels to me like he's deflecting recently with this "Why me? It could be Trent or Zeo!" and "I'm a newbie and y'all are pickin' on me!" and "Um, maybe it's Drealmer and Gogtrial! Just not me!" business. It feels...off.

I haven't mentioned Blotunga much as of yet since until now, he hadn't posted enough for me to get a feel on him. But now? I'm gettin' some feels, and I don't like 'em. [...].
Yeah, sorry, this is not the sort of posts I'd call "pushing back pretty hard". What exactly in them is it that got you "some feels"?


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zeogold: [...]

Also, could you please finally say who you swapped? If you caught our minion or wolf, you could crack this game wide open if one of them spills the beans.
I'd like to hear back from the Santa first, if it's ok with everyone.

But here's a (general) question - how would the Troublemaker know who they caught? Unless I misunderstood something, and I don't think I did, as I did ask dedoporno, the Troublemaker neither sees the role cards he's switching, nor is told anything about them, before or after the fact.

Sorry everyone, head's not clear, eyes are heavy, and still trying to read and sort through everything.
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cristigale: *poke*
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adaliabooks: zeo says he chose the left two cards and one of those was the villager. cristi says card 3 is the villager.

Assuming card 3 would be the one on the right then it doesn't look like zeo had any geniune peek. Which kind of rules him out as the lone wolf (ditto for cristi as well really).

So if neither of them are lone wolves then there must be a wolf in the villagers and it's not worth the risk lynching either seer.
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zeogold: Also, I didn't get any number business. As soon as Dedo said I had a choice of another person or two unknowns, I immediately said "the left card and the middle card" by force of habit. I know that as seer, seeing two of the uknown ones is always your best bet, and it's a long story why I always choose the two left ones, but let's just say that somehow, those usually end up being the most useful.
Care to elaborate on this cristi?
Did you get given numbers or indicated in anyway which cards you could choose from?

zeo's story here seems a little thin... seems a made up on the spot cover for the fact he's slipped up.

Anyway, whichever way you look at it I doubt there is a lone wolf (who got an actual peek) and whichever of you is faking is faking completely (which again looks like zeo as he has chosen the less verifiable claim)

Still not sure about which of the villagers might be lying, trent is obviously suspicious with his last few posts but I'm not sure whether he was the Tanner and believes he's been switched or is a wolf trying to pretend to be the Tanner so he doesn't get lynched.
blotunga and gogtrial just generally ping my scumdar with their playstyles.
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HypersomniacLive: Yeah, sorry, this is not the sort of posts I'd call "pushing back pretty hard". What exactly in them is it that got you "some feels"?
Trial has been at least trying to gamesolve.
Trent, ok, he hasn't been online. He did ask for what you did, I'll give him that much.
All Blotunga's been doing so far (at least from my point of view) is continually pull the "not me" argument.
Perhaps it's just my interpretation.