The option that gives the best likelihood of getting information is to lynch dedo. We already know that investigating dedo won't prove anything one way or the other, so leaving Joe and Catte as possible investigative targets would mean the mafia would have to second guess who is going to be targeted for investigation.

Of course, this falls apart if dedo is town, but the claim seems is the most bizarre of the three. Would a "bookie" role be given a Night 0 action? The wiki gives no indication of whether this is a thing.

Well I wasn't actually online until it was basically over. My first ":0" reaction is a response to nmillar's "why weren't you in your room?". When I realised there was a new page and caught up vitek was already shot at.
And also flavour shouldn't effect flavour - so if nmillar had a role that determined if vitek had targetted anybody he shouldn't get a return that helps confirm if he was also jailed, and vice versa.

ew

No wonder this is going in a bad direction. Do you even wiki??

"Each Night, the Bookie PMs the moderator a prediction as to who will be eliminated the next day (or a prediction that there will be no elimination the next day). If they guess correctly, they gain a 1-shot kill that can be used to kill someone on the following Night. This kill is independent of existing kills."

Feel free to point out where a Night 0 is mentioned.

** points **

While I was shown to be much at odds with mafiascum wiki in the past so I am not most reliable source, I don't believe blocking or jailing should influence investigative role reads.

I stand corrected.

...really? In a game with two roles that can kill mafia. And a game where EVERYBODY has a role, you can't imagine how a doctor to protect themselves from the paranoid gun owner, maybe even the desperado, while also giving them a safe role claim might be useful to a mafia team?


I was thinking before about is nmillar mafia, and decided it's too cruel to expect the town to lynch their best investigative role, but I just thought this morning - what if that's what the desperado was for? A safe way to test a scummy player with a strong claim?

It makes sense in some ways:
- why nmillar was publicly thinking about investigating Gym - he was more concerned about broadcasting his role than actually catching scum"
- nmillar and catte's early friendly distancing
- nmillar's certainty that it's joe and dedo
- nmillar and catte's current best-mates-rubbing-each-other's-bellies-laughing-at-joe attitude
- the setup of a high powered town with no apparent place for mafia to hide

Is there something I've forgotten that makes this impossible?

But the doctor is designed to protect against a NK, and we don't have any confirmed town roles that can carry out a NK other than the paranoid gun owner, which is only activated if somebody targets him. Are you implying that a mafia doctor could protect the person who's sent to do the mafia NK? That's not how a doctor works, is it?

Except I crumbed my role before I had any idea what Vitek's claim would be, and in a way that can't be construed as anything but the gunsmith role. So that was you in the tree outside the window last night?

I am supposed to be asleep now ... there are days I hate my analytical mind.

"It is not unheard of for Mafia to have Doctors of their own in games with Vigilantes, Serial Killers, or even another Mafia. Their power is about the same in practice as that of standalone Town Doctors. Note however that in some flavours, Mafia Doctors do not have guns, and so act as Godfathers to Gunsmiths." - mafiascum wiki - Doctor

well the rest of us are in awe of it. Probably you should go to bed though.


am I actually this difficult to understand or does nmillar pretend not to get it whenever I think I have something interesting?

I think it is worth pointing out on what basis Joe was fairly suspect of nmillar. It is spelled out in this post:

"NMillar is fairly typical - lurky but aggressive. Sticks to the shadows but comes screaming out of the woodwork with a suckerpunch.
Actually looking at it NMillar is less lurky than I think... certainly more active than I've been. I like his response to Gym breadcrumbing too, direct and pointedly trying to avoid giving away info."

He voted him here, refering to that post.

Later while he explains why he never voted Gym, he explained he didn't want to get distracted from nmillar.
From that very strong read, you see.
He explained it in above post, where he said nmillar and ZFR are not likely the same team and voted ZFR.

bit harsh. You had strong reads you could be confident with on Day one?

I just don't understand how there can still be any doubt? I crumbed my night result at the start of the day (that Vitek has a gun), then a few posts later crumbed my full role. When Vitek revealed his role, the night result was proven to be correct, though Vitek himself didn't realise he had a gun.

It just seems like you're trying to muddy the waters when the only realistic combinations are you / dedo, you / Catte or dedo / Catte.

From my own perspective, I will not get any useful information by investigating dedo as he has claimed a role that has a gun (which all mafia roles except a doctor would also have), so logically I can only investigate you or Catte. Should the result of that investigation return a "has a gun" result, then the claim you / Catte have made is false. However, if it is a "no gun" result, then it's potentially inconclusive due to the remote mafia doctor possibility.

Logically, it's either myself or bjg who will be the target of the NK tonight, as our results potentially make the game unwinnable for scum.