You're right. That was an oversight. I corrected the document.

OK, for the sake of you and the overseas players, let's move the deadline to Wednesday afternoon or evening. ... But of course you all are very welcome to end the Day before that.

I will not double post again!

Also, I think it's paramount for town, to not decide what we'll do tomorrow now. It will only give scum something to work with and try and use against us. each day is new and fresh and whether I'd be willing to vote flubs tomorrow or not is something I will only decide tomorrow. He's just yet another player that may or may not be scum, then.

And another thing. If any of you think flub is scum now and vote him for it, I won't hold it against you. But if you believe flub is town and still vote him, that is extremely scummy in my book.

I will not double post again!
The trigger was someone going to L-1. you don't wanna hammer with your script vote

Hm. Picking between "2 dead masons" and "1 dead vanilla and 1 converted vanilla" is hard enough that I'll concede the point.

Yep. Magic.

Scum is dead, whether the recruiter or the recruited dies.

I always played for my win condition.

While yes, lynching scum does prevent that particular scum from converting someone, lynching a scum doesn't prevent all the other scum from converting someone. Conversions can happen until all the original scum are dead, all the vanilla are dead, or all the shots are used.

Your statement was too broad. Adalia has stated a desire to preserve the masons, even happily sacrificing vanilla townies in an effort to achieve that end. He has not advocated for the indiscriminate slaughter of townies.

Scum are people. People forget, especially when something hasn't been read for a week or more. You've reminded them of that particular outcome during a time frame and in a context where they'll have started thinking ahead about their night actions.

And over time you'll learn that not all of our players read the rules and think about the permutations. ;)

It is the other way around: Flub needs to die now that you've explicitly pointed out some other possibilities, helping them NOT trip over those possibilities.

I was saying that the double conversion could happen regardless of whether we lynch scum or not, so it wasn't very supportive of your argument. Whether Flub or Adalia are town is extraneous to what I was attempting to convey.

Mm. Alright, on review I'll concede this point as well. However, I will point out that Flub also denies having intelligence or any skill. ;)

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!

Yes, it was flubbucket hitting L-1. At L-1 I would unvote and choose someone else by more usual methods. In this case, however, flubbucket was also my preferred lynch, so I did not remove my vote (making it the first off-script vote, though it wasn't obvious).

I also had this end condition in place in case the wagon was on me. I would have dropped off my own wagon at L-1.

I actually didn't foresee that I would be the vote to put someone at L-1 :P.

Bleh, set this aside while building my post, then forgot.

Last game, I saw some things that made me think he was town and actively trying to solve the game. This game, I'm not seeing nearly as much of the same thing, but I've always found Flub rather hard to read.

He could be straight up scum making a very similar play to last game, though I think it is somewhat more likely that he is town vanilla doing what he thinks must be done.

Flub has put himself in a position where town needs him to die at some point (unless he somehow isn't converted and we magically keep hitting scum until the game ends).

You goofed on the pay-offs. Both cooperating should have a better pay-off than both betraying, otherwise there is no reason to cooperate since you'd have a better pay off by betraying whether you partner cooperated or betrayed.

Where did I say that you said that scum will be able to pick which kind of target they're going to hit? :P

My point is that some of your arguments throw around ideas like "and then scum convert two town vanilla on N1!" as support, when the odds of such happening (especially if we lynch one of those town vanilla today) look pretty slim. If it is any comfort, you aren't the only one doing something like this.

I'm here, but drunk and very tired so I wouldn't expect much sense (or anything from me).

I think I'm up to date and haven't really got much to add, everyone else has already questioned most of the things I would have in mchack's posts.

But just this one thing;

If you'd been paying attention and reading other peoples posts rather than just sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "SCUM!" over and over again you'd know that I said providing scum reads was a bad idea, so I'm not about to. I only continued pursuing you because I'd already made that read public before realising some of the implications of this game.

But I have three players (including you) that I feel fairly strongly are scum (and would vote for if wagons built) and 2 more I have doubts about but I wouldn't vote yet.

So no, I'm sorry if I find it odd that you are only considering two people in the game scum and nothing else. Despite claiming to have a fair idea who the vanilla townies are... which by process of elimination should give you an idea who the other remaining scum would be.

I'd ask you to change that to "lynch a specific exposed convertible Vanilla who'll fog up every additional day he remains, rather than any townie" but I know how much you like presenting things from alternative angles so I won't waste either of our times.

Every day flubbucket.....

Show me your liver on the doll.

I'd have to Google where my liver is first...

Unofficial Vote Count

And, more importantly:

Official Vote Count

Found it!

I don't get it (but then I'm drunk and haven't clicked the links to read the vote counts)

I'm tempted to move my vote just so it's wrong though....

I will not double post again!

I know. it's only HSL said "Except that it's going to be one dead scum that didn't exist the Day before." which is simply not true. so I pointed it out.

I knew it. Going against your win condition is breaking the game. Thank you for being earnest.
Flubs also said so, btw. ( kinda )
You reading that adalia? not cool suggesting that flubs does it now or will tomorrow. #489
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yep. so which will faster deplete by lynch alone (and should be our target for lynch when we want to fight conversions) original scum or vanilla?

true, only indiscriminate slaughter of vanillas (thereby also helping to reveal the masons in the long run, btw) See here for instance:
excerpt: (yes I know. let me have some fun. view full post with link above)
sure, but scum will reread the rules and ask the mod for clarifications if unclear in their night-chat before they'll put down their night action. that is for sure. I've been scum once you know. I know the drill.

and how is it he has to die now, because scum might not actually try and convert him? Why don't you want to lynch scum instead?

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so more likely town for you? just wanna make sure (gotta scumreadlist to take care of you know ;) you are still voting him I also notice

most everyone may need to die at some point. Why do you want flub dead now?

I quoted you saying it... oh, we're on this level of detail now? ok, you said my post highlighted a trend in me and others that scum will be able to pick .... which it didn't :P

well, I don't. I usually reply to others and in doing so battle their points or assumptions and only in those cases have I used the same hypothetical circumstances with another outcome or outlook on the situation.
I don't know what scum will do, and I sure hope scum will have a hard time deciding. Thats why I don't want to remove options from them, that can trip them up. like flub.

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yes yes, love you, too. Good night and all that. anyway I did notice. But does that mean you simply don't think, it helps finding converted players to pin them on their scumreads from the day before? What is your suggestion on finding the converted players, if any, tomorrow? ...lynch flub?

I'm not claiming that I have a fair Idea who _the_ vanilla townies are. never have. I simply have more people than only flubs, that I think is vanilla. Won't tell you how many, won't say anything more about it. only saying flubs is _not_ the only and _not_ a safe choice for conversion. So he is _not_ the one we have to lynch today.