Posted October 23, 2017
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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From Bulgaria
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
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From Vatican City
Posted October 23, 2017
dedoporno: If scum targets another scum or a hacker with conversion the actor scum will die. That risk is non-existent if they go for the safe choice which is the Vanilla. Even if both teams try to convert the same Vanilla the only thing they are risking is to kill the target which is still not that bad since it takes them one step closer. Hence teh Vanilla is a safe choice. Does that cover your question or did I not understand what you are asking? [..]
Yes, thanks. Not "too" - he's pretty sure adaliabooks is scum, and thinks flubbucket is town vanilla.
I thought this was your first one; which other mafia games have you played on GOG?
So, the only memorable thing about the game you're thinking is mchack's verbosity as scum, even though it might be a game you were in? Gotcha.
Leonard03: [...] Offering oneself up for lynch so as to avoid the possibility of lynching a mason... that's over kill. [...]
That's not exactly what I meant, and I'm pretty sure that's not exactly what flubbucket's doing. I'd suggest you start using your brain more than your hip, were I not quite certain you already are.
Leonard03: [...] Because he hadn't given a lot of indication that he was suspicious of adalia beforehand. And it seemed a bit like hopping to the biggest wagon. [...]
Well, you hadn't given much indication, if any at all, when you voted adaliabooks... And yet you didn't care to inquire why he placed his vote on adaliabooks, or if it was as it seemed to you. Leonard03: [...] Ah, well I'd like to point you to earlier in the same PM you mentioned to me, where it says "Your weapon is your vote..." [...]
What's the matter, Leonard03, choosing the right night-action turns out harder than you thought? Leonard03: [...] To me, a scummy vibe I get from a player is a reason. [...] ~snip for brevity~ [...] avoid the obvious slip-ups. [...]
That's quite the convenient way not to go on record, isn't it? Leonard03: [...] And I don't think it's unfair to say that players on here are experienced enough and clever enough to avoid the obvious slip-ups. [...]
They sure as hell try, don't they? Leonard03: [...] I'd suggest to everyone that we instead lynch adalia. Reading his posts gives me the feeling of a scum going under and struggling to grab onto anyone else around to push them down instead. Seeing his flip will be useful to look back over this day and see what we can figure out.
[emphasis added] He made a case for lynching flubbucket, as town vanilla, and one for mchack as his scum-read. I don't see him jumping on people left and right, to try and save his skin. How is he trying to grab onto anyone else?
Also, can you point me to where he fought his own lynch when he was the lading wagon?
Why do you believe its better?
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
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Posted October 23, 2017
Bookwyrm627: 1) Does the new convert get read access when converted, or can they not see the scum thread at all until they start a night as scum?
dedoporno: This was already covered not long ago by HSL. They get nothing until the next night. You caught up, right? -HSL asked whether a Convert has full access to the chat. That could be read as having Read/Write access.
-The answer was that they only get access on the following night. That could be read as they can't even see the thread on the night (and following day) that they get converted.
I want to clarify whether a convert has read access for the Day after being converted. I'd been assuming they'd get the link to the (now closed) QT when they are informed they've been converted; they could read it that Day, but they couldn't post themselves until the following Night.
Hunter65536
New GOGlin
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From India
Posted October 23, 2017
Ah, miss being the one being quoted in such posts. I'll need to up my game to be deserving of that I suppose.
@bookwyrm What do you make of flub's play in general?
Also thinking further on scum teams actions if flub lives I am not entirely convinced it can bind scum to act in a way. Could post more if people want me to but in short I think it can lead to a scenario where scum would risk being killed to convert others so that flub makes it to d2 and we're not sure if his alignment has stayed the same or changed. Since there are no investigative roles it will be up to flub to convince us that he's not been converted or get lynched on d2 instead. Could be seen as postponing the inevitable and I could be wrong though, willing to hear out what others think of this.
Generally a prisoners dilemma problem as I had referenced in my previous post goes little something like this - there's 2 people caught for a crime but evidence is scant so police will need a confession to really prosecute them. Then they isolate both these prisoners and offer them a deal that if they talk and the other guy talks as well it'll be 1 year prison sentence for both. If you talk and other doesn't, then you'll get no jail time whereas the other gets 3 years jail time and vice versa. Then in final case if both of you don't talk then both of you will have to serve 2 years in prison. I feel that it applies here because both scum teams are being pushed to take a similar action, whereas the payoff in the former example is in terms of prison time here it will be a bit more in terms of risk they have to take by converting an unknown entity or sticking with a known entity with limited lifespan either because of suspicion on d2 or both scum teams choosing flub.
Here is a wikipedia link for the interested ones as I feel I did a shoddy job in terms of applying that concept here.
Can't beat that logic
Krypsyn: Trentonlf's voting patterns, as much as his rhetoric, have been giving me a metaphoric headache, and that is a big part of the reason my vote is on him now. However, no, that wasn't the trigger.
Interesting thing to say, but it looks like those Kyrpsyn points won't be mine :( @bookwyrm What do you make of flub's play in general?
Also thinking further on scum teams actions if flub lives I am not entirely convinced it can bind scum to act in a way. Could post more if people want me to but in short I think it can lead to a scenario where scum would risk being killed to convert others so that flub makes it to d2 and we're not sure if his alignment has stayed the same or changed. Since there are no investigative roles it will be up to flub to convince us that he's not been converted or get lynched on d2 instead. Could be seen as postponing the inevitable and I could be wrong though, willing to hear out what others think of this.
Generally a prisoners dilemma problem as I had referenced in my previous post goes little something like this - there's 2 people caught for a crime but evidence is scant so police will need a confession to really prosecute them. Then they isolate both these prisoners and offer them a deal that if they talk and the other guy talks as well it'll be 1 year prison sentence for both. If you talk and other doesn't, then you'll get no jail time whereas the other gets 3 years jail time and vice versa. Then in final case if both of you don't talk then both of you will have to serve 2 years in prison. I feel that it applies here because both scum teams are being pushed to take a similar action, whereas the payoff in the former example is in terms of prison time here it will be a bit more in terms of risk they have to take by converting an unknown entity or sticking with a known entity with limited lifespan either because of suspicion on d2 or both scum teams choosing flub.
Here is a wikipedia link for the interested ones as I feel I did a shoddy job in terms of applying that concept here.
Can't beat that logic
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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Hunter65536
New GOGlin
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From India
Posted October 23, 2017
So you have a strong reason to believe that trent is scum? Still isn't very much different from your other votes unless you explain why you'd think that.
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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Posted October 23, 2017
Hunter65536: So you have a strong reason to believe that trent is scum? Still isn't very much different from your other votes unless you explain why you'd think that.
...mchack
more than enough!
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Krypsyn
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Posted October 23, 2017
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
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From Vatican City
Posted October 23, 2017
Lifthrasil: Yes, it is. And yes this means from Wednesday on, European late morning/noon, Nightfall may happen. I'll be quite busy on Wednesday, so it will probably rather be Wednesday evening (European time). But I will not state a precise deadline.
Well, you could simply say European late afternoon/evening and that still wouldn't be a precise deadline. It is of course up to you, it's just that I'd like to be around for EoD, and European late morning/noon doesn't work for me. May not work for those across the pond either, but not speaking for them. Then the Convert's PM in the setup document is misleading, as it currently gives them the link to the QT.
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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From Micronesia
Posted October 23, 2017
mchack: ..............
@flubs, @bookwyrm: Did either of you play against your own win condition last game, in the hopes of acquiring other win conditions someday and to not hurt those?
...............
Why would I ever do such a thing??@flubs, @bookwyrm: Did either of you play against your own win condition last game, in the hopes of acquiring other win conditions someday and to not hurt those?
...............
mchack
more than enough!
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From Germany
Posted October 23, 2017
I will not double post again!
Hunter65536: Also thinking further on scum teams actions if flub lives I am not entirely convinced it can bind scum to act in a way. Could post more if people want me to but in short I think it can lead to a scenario where scum would risk being killed to convert others so that flub makes it to d2 and we're not sure if his alignment has stayed the same or changed. Since there are no investigative roles it will be up to flub to convince us that he's not been converted or get lynched on d2 instead. Could be seen as postponing the inevitable and I could be wrong though, willing to hear out what others think of this.
the "get lynched on D2 part" and "could be seen as postponing the inevitable" is what bothers me, sure it may be the case. or not. Maybe the actually converted player slips up. and we lynch him. or we get interesting info by the flips and go after someone revealed by that? there is more than one scum out there and we should go after the scummiest. if that happens to be flubs D2 ok. if not why force it, to make him to lynch? we can't be postponing the inevitable, if nothing in this setup is inevitable. We'll have to go day by day and react, to the new info we get through each lynch and each flip. Everyday trying to hit scum. that's the way to win in my opinion.