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Not visitation, no. I believe intelligent life may exist outside of our planet but for reasons I can't truly delve into on these forums (related to religious discussions), I believe that any intelligent alien life would be primitive. And by that, I don't mean "stupid", I just mean that I don't believe their technology would be very advanced. I believe humans, for all our flaws, are the pinnacle of mortal life.
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JakobFel: I believe humans, for all our flaws, are the pinnacle of mortal life.
We're not even the pinnacle of life on Earth :D

But then I find the very idea of anything being "the pinnacle of life" terribly silly. One thing I'm certain of, no species worthy of that title would ever consider itself so.
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People, be quiet please. Let Ancient-Red-Dragon talk. I want to hear more about his stories.
Nope. The stories of how supposed aliens are interested in probing Uranus or using moai heads as navigation beacons is just...dumb.

Real aliens probably won't have a human-centric form, and they certainly won't have any interest in our resources. By the time you can travel to another star system at STL, you can easily have a self-replicating force of drones to reconstruct your solar system into a dyson shell. Resources are a moot point for anyone who can create sufficiently advanced automatons.
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Cambrey: People, be quiet please. Let Ancient-Red-Dragon talk. I want to hear more about his stories.
Please, tell me what you're snorting and how I can keep it off my streets! O___o~
Whoever they are, they're not landing on this rock without showing their vaccine certificates!
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they visited me multiple times already , we talked about bad games and these new garbage 0 effort mass produced stuff flooding the market etc.
they even said drm is not that bad , but censorship is , fight censorship not drm is their motto
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Shadowstalker16: Whoever they are, they're not landing on this rock without showing their vaccine certificates!
nah they believe in healty lifestyle like working out dont eat shit food and especially dont play bad games
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PixelBoy: It makes a good science fiction story, but in real life is practically speaking impossible.

Even if there somehow was life elsewhere in the galaxy, that life not only needed to exist, and have some technology to do interstellar travel, but also happen live in the same time as we do.
If they passed through this solar system 100.000 years ago, we wouldn't know about it, if they come 100.000 years from now, we may not be around to see it.

So the likelihood that
1) life exists in several places in this galaxy
2) that alien life is intelligent enough to travel in space
3) those beings would live in the same timeframe as we do
4) out of all those millions of places to go to, they would choose to come here
is practically speaking zero.

Whatever slim theoretical chances there are to all that, is quite well challenged by the Fermi paradox.

Anyway, it's good and entertaining science fiction.
thats not how it works thou

the show managers seed planets with intelligent life at the same time and then hand drive them to find ftl tech more or less in the same time period so they can battle eachother who will be the master of the universe

have you played any MOO or other 4x space strategy or watched star trek ? clearly havent
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kai2: There are numerous accounts of UFO activity above or adjacent to nuclear test sites... so much so, that it's been theorized that activity was in direct relation to specific nuclear tests...

... but with the speed of light energy...
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morolf: I've read about things like that, and there are also claims that during UFO sightings nuclear missile systems in both the US and the Soviet Union/Russia shut down for unexplainable reasons. Which obviously raises disturbing questions, if true.
But really hard to know what to make of this. There were those revelations by the US navy some time ago about Ufo sightings, and tbh I found it somewhat disturbing, because it seems like nobody knows what these things are, just that they exist (unless it's all some kind of disinformation campaign). I try not to think about it much, because there's no point for a scientifically illiterate layman like me, when even the experts have got no clue.
obviously they fuel their craft with energy from the nuclear material and it is easier to do if humans already gathered and enriched it in specific places , it shouldnt shut down the reaction thou , must be some poor aliens use outdated 2 cylinder old energy siphon systems... we should sue those
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kai2: but I do know a number of people there who believe in aliens and in fact believe we have made contact (and possibly alliances).
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morolf: What would be the point for aliens capable of space travel in making an alliance with humanity, or even just a specific fraction of humanity? What could they possibly get out of it?
But anyway, unless some new information becomes public, we can't do more than engage in idle speculation.
would you make an alliance with dogs? would be cool , right ? :D so thats why
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Nope. There is no such thing as 'aliens,' planets, outer space, space travel, or any of that other kind of Satanic nonsense which the MSM, Hollywood, and the government are always pushing.

There are demons who can fly in the sky, but that is a different thing altogether from "aliens."

They probably will pull an alien hoax in the coming years, though, with demons playing the role of alien characters.
arent they just gilpeople in disguise? demons ?no way
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Nope. There is no such thing as 'aliens,' planets, outer space, space travel, or any of that other kind of Satanic nonsense which the MSM, Hollywood, and the government are always pushing.
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morolf: You think other planets and outer space don't really exist??? Sounds like a rather eccentric claim.
he is right thou , it is just an illusion , like that waiting music when you call companies they put it there and waiting for you to press in the correct code
Post edited October 23, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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kai2: Perhaps they wanted the freedom to engage in certain behaviours without military involvement? As...

... maybe mosquitoes can't stop you from hiking in the woods, but they can be obnoxious... and cut your hike short.

It would be easiest to simply have a treaty with the mosquitoes.

Maybe a 50 year treaty?
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morolf: So they're interstellar tourists who don't want their vacations ruined by humans?
Why 50 years, does that refer to some specific event?
maybe they have 50 fingers and they dont have a higher number than that :O
No, and I kind of hope there aren't any out there. On the upside, we could nevertheless still hope to grow into a perfectly awesome sci-fi universe, like Battletech.
(edit: actually there are some alien fauna and flora in Battletech, which means that probably there are some intelligent alien somewhere in the Battletech universe)
Post edited October 23, 2021 by Matewis
When I read or watch the world news sometimes I really do believe in alien visitation. And if it's the case humanity probably has lost the invisible war a long time ago. I hope there are no aliens and human ruler class is just a bunch of clumsy psychopaths and out there some super good peaceful aliens doing their best to not get involved in anything human related. The fact that the Church officially accepted the possibility of alien life form made me nervous, and that UFO sightseeing were discussed on our prime TV channels as well.

Only once in my life I saw what others call a little silver saucer out in the sky. I was completely sober and sane, that thing was not moving like the clouds near it, and then it vanished in millisecond. It was about 5 years ago, when I told my story to my friend's father he said that I was lying, he was not able to procure a reason as to why would I lie about it though.

Would be *funny* (not) if the aliens truly exist but in a form of tiny little insect like parasites craving human flesh.
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PixelBoy: Even if there somehow was life elsewhere in the galaxy, that life not only needed to exist, and have some technology to do interstellar travel, but also happen live in the same time as we do.
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Breja: Unless they also have time travel technology! >Doctor Who theme starts<
OK, a good point.

But doesn't work for alien visitations very well.
While it might take care of the problem that those aliens would need to co-exist in the same time, it would make their visitations in this time even more unlikely.

If they could go to any of the billions of places in space, and if they could go to any year out of billions of years, what are the odds that they would choose both this location AND this time to visit?

Of course if we are talking about future humans creating a time machine, then it's a different story. Clearly they would use it first on their own planet. But the topic was about aliens.
"Belief" and derivatives are terms I avoid like the plague.
I either know or suspend judgement for lack of evidence. In this case, the second.
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Breja: Unless they also have time travel technology! >Doctor Who theme starts<
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PixelBoy: OK, a good point.

But doesn't work for alien visitations very well.
While it might take care of the problem that those aliens would need to co-exist in the same time, it would make their visitations in this time even more unlikely.

If they could go to any of the billions of places in space, and if they could go to any year out of billions of years, what are the odds that they would choose both this location AND this time to visit?

Of course if we are talking about future humans creating a time machine, then it's a different story. Clearly they would use it first on their own planet. But the topic was about aliens.
Well, I already went outside of the boundary with dimensional travel and suggesting terrestrials, so feel free to take it where you will. ;)

Project Looking Glass brings up some interesting questions (if true)
Once we have space folding technology, we'll be the Aliens who laugh their asses of when others try to figure out if we exist or not.

Before that ... no. Light travels way too slow for interstellar travel and that's the fastes known way that anything can travel.


Also the time factor is not to underestimate. The chances for any carbon based life form are not THAT high in the universe. Most places are way too cold, too warm or - that's the most common case - unstable. We have big planets on the edge of the solar system protecting us from outside influence, are just in the right area of the milkyway to support life and of course in the right distance to our own sun. There are by far not infinite places for such a correlation. And the chances for such places existing right now are even a lot lower.

And again ... visiting would only work if a way to travel was faster than lightspeed. We can't "see" most of the universe, because the light of these places never reached us so far and won't reach us for a couple many million years. We can only see as far as light can travel since the beginning of the universe.