I've only skimmed through the thread, and haven't even read my PM yet, but I'd like to comment on the non-bolded votes counting.

I don't remember which game it was, but we this was discussed before and the general agreement was that it's best to stick with the "votes/unvotes must be bolded" rule to avoid confusion and potential manipulation of the game - counting non-bolded votes leaves too much room for people to point back to a post of theirs where, as dedoporno points out, "vote" and a player's name were placed next to each other to claim they were/are voting, or that it wasn't meant as a real vote because they'd have bolded it if it were.

So, @mod (and everyone else), for the sake of clarity and to avoid any shenanigans, could we, please, stick with the tried and tested rule of "votes/unvotes must be bolded"?

Off to check my PM and catch up with the thread properly.

Your last post shows as having been edited. I'm sure our gracious mod will be lenient since you're new, but pay close attention to rule 5:

I wholeheartedly agree. I mean, Joe can understand the context and tell whether we are voting or not (and whether I meant a no unmask when I instead said "vote unmask"), but let's make this as headache-free as possible.

Anyways...Korotan is quite off. He looks scummy, what's with constantly changing his mind and his reasoning for voting Lift being "you confuse and annoy me and I need to vent." Then again, there is a slight problem with that theory; what would he gain by constantly changing votes? Is it confusing us? Because it doesn't seem to be working all that well, and instead it's working against him.

I am of the opinion that it’s best to bold any votes or unvotes, I often miss them when they are not bolded, especially if they are buried within a long post.

+1 on the bolded votes. Even if Joe doesn't make them official we can still do it anyway.


He'd appear active?

Yes, I agree that Korotan feels off. I just have to make up my mind over the next few days whether he is scum-newbie-off or whether it could also be town-newbie-off.

@Korotan: I'm sorry to hear about your condition. But take your time formulating what you mean. Letting anger guide you doesn't help your faction at all, no matter which that may be. Remember: it's a game. Nothing more. And if someone votes to lynch you or suspects you, that's nothing personal. It is a requirement of the game to suspect and to lynch other players.

@mod: I also prefer to require votes to be bolded.

I think it's a terrible way to hide a vote. HSL is right; it should be bolded.

Going through the votes, and trying to sort what is and what wasn't/isn't a vote has only reinforced my stance on sticking to the rule as even the mod was unable to get a correct vote count in post #35.

To make my point clear, here's a prime example - SirPrimalform threw an RVS vote at ZFR in post #16 which was unbolded. Clarification on the matter came from the mod in post #24, so at the time of his post #16, and based on how things are normally done, he should know that his vote wasn't a valid one, but since it was an RVS one he might have not deemed it necessary to correct it back then after all, it was enough to give him a nice pass from PookaMustard regarding participation and lurkers).
Fast forward to the mod's official vote count (post #35); SirPrimalform's vote should have counted, but the mod missed it (I assume), which would mean that ZFR was (is?) sitting on 3 votes. And then comes SirPrimalform with post #40 - pure mock/joke post or correcting the mod in jokingly manner? If the latter, is his vote still an RVS one, or has he used the "no bold requirement" to turn it into a serious one with no explanation/reasoning?

A little later, he makes post #45 - is this a mock/joke post or has he now switched his vote to dedoporno, and if so what for?

Now most of us know that SirPrimalform tends to joke, but we also know that joking can be, and often is, used as cover.

And nobody's catching any of this, or if they did they didn't say a word; no way to tell now which it was.
It's a total mess, and makes trying to discern intention and motives near impossible; there's way too much wiggle room for people to claim whatever when and if questioned.


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At the time of your post, we had no info or even indication that Korotan is new - they're new to our mafia community, but we didn't know if they're new to (forum) mafia in general (they're the only one that hadn't clarified in the sign up thread or until that point). It was only in post #32 that they included themselves in the newbie group, but we can't tell for certain if they did so because they are, or are using the general assumption that they are a newbie.



I don't quite get what you're trying to say with this. Elaborate?


Well, here's the thing. You didn't exactly have a stellar start in Secret Hitler either, but were quite quick to attempt to turn things around shortly afterwards (after playing some games off-forum, IIRC?).



Not sure I follow what your point about ZFR is. Elaborate?

Also, have you any experience with mafia? Either online or parlour?



For all the games we've played, I hadn't realised that you see no problem with a wagon getting formed within the first 20 posts (2 of which were made by the mod) of D1.



So, care to clarify the whole situation with your initial vote on ZFR, and what you're actually doing in this post?


Same with this one.


I've got a few appointments at the hospital tomorrow. Depending on how long it'll take and how things go, I may or may not be on.

Look carefully, it was a vrote.

Arrgh, even worse.

Sorry everyone, scratch the part about post #16. I'd still like a reply regarding his post #45 vote.

And my #52? I wanted to see if punctuation counts...

That wasn't a hidden vote, it was a test.

See above. I thought it was fairly obvious in the context of the part of dedoporno's post that I was replying to...

So was my reply.

O...k! I guess we wait and see if Joe counts it.

I have to wonder why the quick change of heart from ZFR, first using random, which hr usually does (or so he claimed in Secret Hitler too). And then changing his mind when Pooka instantly jumped on that. Now I wonder if that was a newbie scum move from Pooka or not.
And then trent jumped directly on Zfr for changing strategy.
I think this:
I vote Microfishd. He was quick to jump on ZFR, and although it's strange that he deviated from his usual random strategy, I wouldn't want to gang up on him just yet for it, if he's town, he'd be a quite big loss.