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General discussionBrexit : Once upon a time in EU (official thread, please stay civil)(1650 posts) (1650 posts) 
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Posted June 21, 2016
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jamyskis: I give up. Trying to discuss matters on social media and forums is making me want to do the universe a mercy and just annihilate the entire fucking human race.

I can't believe the human race can be this fucking stupid.
Do you think you help matters by continually questioning peoples intellect just because they see things differently than you?
The whole point of this thread was to get the opinions on Brexit from both sides with as little mud-slinging and insults being thrown as possible.
Your arrogant stance that your opinions are fact and everyone else are uneducated idiots go against this.
It's a shame as you are obviously an intelligent individual but you need to learn to respect other peoples opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Posted June 21, 2016
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So, this morning, someone posted a book scan on a forum. I don't know the book since it wasn't specified and I'm not registered so I couldn't ask the poster. Anyway, it's a compilation of EU-related referendums which ended up with a majority of "no" and their outcomes. I don't have time to go into details but after my lunch, I dug up all the related wikipedia links since some people could be interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Maastricht_Treaty_referendum,_1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_euro_referendum,_2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_constitutional_referendums,_2001
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_euro_referendum,_2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_European_Constitution_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015

TLDR: see picture attached
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Posted June 21, 2016
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catpower1980: So, this morning, someone posted a book scan on a forum. I don't know the book since it wasn't specified and I'm not registered so I couldn't ask the poster. Anyway, it's a compilation of EU-related referendums which ended up with a majority of "no" and their outcomes. I don't have time to go into details but after my lunch, I dug up all the related wikipedia links since some people could be interested:
Thanks.


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catpower1980: TLDR: see picture attached
That pic is worth a lot more than 1000 words. lol
Posted June 21, 2016
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Regals: Lincoln was the first republican , right wing , president.
The democrats where the ONLY party before the anti-slavery party known at the time as good old party (GOP) formed.

We than had two parties.

When Lincoln was elected the democrats were furious the antislavery party made it into office.
The progressive democrat decided to split the country and the progressives went south.

So the north anti-slavery republicans fought against the south pro slavery.

There is the history your libtard teacher won't tell you.
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jamyskis: For someone who's supposed to be American, your understanding of United States history is very...skewed. Deliberately so, I say. I'm probably going to regret feeding an intellectually challenged troll like yourself, but still...

Problem 1) 19th century political parties cannot easily be placed on the traditional left-right spectrum because the social and economic circumstances are too different. And even if they could: Lincoln was as socially liberal as they came. American society at the time held that the slave (the "negro" if you like) was inherently inferior and their position was biblically ordained. The very core doctrine of right-wing politics is to hold that social inequality is desirable and inevitable. While Lincoln held that the "negro" was by definition "inferior" - a product of his time - he held that they were not so inferior as to warrant being forced into indentured servitude. Very few people in 19th century America considered black people to be equals - it was considered progressive to just oppose slavery while still being inherently racist.

Problem 2) The GOP and Democratic Party of the 19th century had very little to do with their modern day equivalents - the present-day doctrine of American Conservatism in its current form didn't arise until the 1920s, and didn't really take a recognisable shape comparable with today until the 1950s.

Problem 3) GOP stands for "Grand Old Party", not "Good Old Party".
Stop pestering the "slow" child. It's cruel. :P
Posted June 21, 2016
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Another spectacular ragequit from the one and only! Discussing politics on a gaming forum is srs business, after all.
Posted June 21, 2016
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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Maastricht_Treaty_referendum,_1992
Refusing led to special exemptions for Denmark and the second referendum was about the changed treaty so makes sense there was another one.

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_euro_referendum,_2000
Denmark didn't establish Euro because of it so false.

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_constitutional_referendums,_2001
Yes, made vote again after Ireland got exemption from mutual defense which was biggest concern for rejecting it first some so quite understandable I would say?

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_euro_referendum,_2003
Outright lie.
It was non-binding referendum and still Sweden who wanted to join Euro in 2006 didn't do it beacuse of it and delayed it (still no euro in 2016)

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
Only 2 countries to vote no and it led to reworking the constitution to different shape so I wouldn't say ignored.

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_European_Constitution_referendum
It was voted anew as there were some new concessions(promises?) to Ireland but otherwise true.

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catpower1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015
Well, it was such a clusterfuck that people weren't even sure what they are voting about but it is probably truest of those posted.


So TLDR; The text is twisting things hard and some even completely makes up.
Posted June 21, 2016
You should go watch the videos by Paul Joseph Watson on the brexit stuff. Britain is being manipulated by the EU NWO bs power hungry people into staying. I hope they leave the EU, and take their country back.
Posted June 21, 2016
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jamyskis: The GOP and Democratic Party of the 19th century had very little to do with their modern day equivalents - the present-day doctrine of American Conservatism in its current form didn't arise until the 1920s, and didn't really take a recognisable shape comparable with today until the 1950s.
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Regals: Says a german who never been to united states even....

Is that what they teach you while the muslim immigrants mass rape your entire country?
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tinyE: Stop pestering the "slow" child. It's cruel. :P
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Regals: Want me to send your street address next?

Well eram...
Bet there is many people that would like to see bad things happen to you.
Not that it matters, but last time I checked I was white.
Posted June 21, 2016
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jamyskis: I give up. Trying to discuss matters on social media and forums is making me want to do the universe a mercy and just annihilate the entire fucking human race.

I can't believe the human race can be this fucking stupid.
Direct democracy is giving people the ultimate responsiblilty for their future. Hes basically saying people arent smart enough to make their own decisions and we need 'smart people' to make our decisions for us.
Posted June 21, 2016
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SirHandsome: Direct democracy is giving people the ultimate responsiblilty for their future. Hes basically saying people arent smart enough to make their own decisions and we need 'smart people' to make our decisions for us.
I'd agree. The average Joe is just not all that bright. If the masses were really in charge then things would go downhill really fast.
Posted June 21, 2016
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SirHandsome: Direct democracy is giving people the ultimate responsiblilty for their future. Hes basically saying people arent smart enough to make their own decisions and we need 'smart people' to make our decisions for us.
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mistermumbles: I'd agree. The average Joe is just not all that bright. If the masses were really in charge then things would go downhill really fast.
Because things are so much better now? Give me a break, let the people own thier own responsiblity and you will see a stop to all the corruption, waste and greed our current 'Representatives' are embedded in.

Wall Street shouldnt have been bailed out and if the people had a say it wouldnt have happened. Waste and corruption, all to ensure those with power and money keep it.
Posted June 21, 2016
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Vitek: snip.......
??? I don't really see why you're arguing as I posted a listing of referendums which ended up with a majority of "no".

For Denmark and Sweden, their "no" was accepted and they still have their own currency (SEK and DKK).

For the "made to vote again", it's self-explanatory. I don't see what's false as there were a second referendum.

Only the "ignored" for the constitution can leave to interpretations.
Posted June 21, 2016
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SirHandsome: Direct democracy is giving people the ultimate responsiblilty for their future. Hes basically saying people arent smart enough to make their own decisions and we need 'smart people' to make our decisions for us.
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mistermumbles: I'd agree. The average Joe is just not all that bright. If the masses were really in charge then things would go downhill really fast.
Do you think it's an accident that ignorance is so prevalent?

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mistermumbles: I'd agree. The average Joe is just not all that bright. If the masses were really in charge then things would go downhill really fast.
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SirHandsome: Because things are so much better now? Give me a break, let the people own thier own responsiblity and you will see a stop to all the corruption, waste and greed our current 'Representatives' are embedded in.

Wall Street shouldnt have been bailed out and if the people had a say it wouldnt have happened. Waste and corruption, all to ensure those with power and money keep it.
When you have the power to create money, you have the power to own the world.
Post edited June 21, 2016 by richlind33
Posted June 21, 2016
The latest trend on Twitter:

#CatsAgainstBrexit

https://twitter.com/hashtag/catsagainstbrexit?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash

EDIT: damn, maybe I should change my username to dogpower :o)
Post edited June 21, 2016 by catpower1980
Posted June 21, 2016
I watched most of the online campaign interview, the brexit movie, the farage campagne videos and inetrviews aswell as some interviews by Boris and Micheal Gove, but rumor has it they will stay as remain will clearly win.

It seems there are bets online on the whole thing and everyone tells these are the only realistic numbers than should be trusted so i fear Brexit Campaigning seems to fail and Remain seems to be winning .

I just noticed this one:

EU Debate - Oxford Union. Daniel Hannan MEP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY



Unfortunately this one is only Dutch , no subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEqAMNNW3s0

But it seems 48% of the dutch want to get out Eu and back to the way it was before EU (and these % will only rise)
The majority wants their own referendum, and a lot of Dutch politicians agree (except Dutch PM )
Dutch MP is totally, totally, totally ... against referenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYm14SaJNTY
Rutte uitslag referendum desastreus


Watch the small clip if you havent seen it yet , most Dutch felt ashamed of what he was doing...
it was quite embarrassing, or to keep it simple: it's face palm time, maybe triple facepalm.
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