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Garrison72: Being polite and respectful isn't a rule of any western democracy I know of.
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itchy01ca01: Being racist isn't being polite or respectful and there are laws against it. You can't burn a cross on someones lawn.

Also, there are many, many ways in which you allow your freedom of speech to be impinged every single day, yet few people realize them. Go, try and yell "bomb" or "fire" in an airport. I dare you :)
Or name a beer Albino Rhino in Canada.
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Lodium: Im gonna pose a question here or a speculation since this intelligence and education thing seams to be brougth up time and time again.

Was it the uneducated normal man that was resposible for the financial crisis or was it the the rich ones and the higlhy educated ones?
Rich and highly educated is not always the same. What about stupid and rich? What about just smug?

Look at some socialistic countries like Venezuela and you see that not being educated is no guarantee for success either?

Or take for example Stephen Hawking - surely highly educated and incredibly clever, but not responsible for the financial crisis even a tiny bit.

Maybe one could say that a certain minimal intelligence is necessity for making lots of money but greed and lying and all that are probably also needed and there is no one to one relationship because there are millions of highly educated people not doing any harm to anyone.

The normal, educated man should have voted for different parties (a real labour party if such a thing exists), even better would be to go himself into politics and learning about all that, the normal, educated man could have made a difference. But they seldomly do. Instead they always fall for the best act.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-racial-racism-abuse-hate-crime-reported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html
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Garrison72: Being polite and respectful isn't a rule of any western democracy I know of.
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Lodium: If you want politeness and respect i think you have to moove to china or Japan or something.
At least ive heard they respect their elders and are generally polite.
I have no idea if this holds any truth though.
But i also heard that Asians dont look too fondly on people from the west due to experience with misbehavor.
Politeness and respect don't extend to women in a lot of Asian societies.

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Lodium: Im gonna pose a question here or a speculation since this intelligence and education thing seams to be brougth up time and time again.

Was it the uneducated normal man that was resposible for the financial crisis or was it the the rich ones and the higlhy educated ones?
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Trilarion: Rich and highly educated is not always the same. What about stupid and rich? What about just smug?

Look at some socialistic countries like Venezuela and you see that not being educated is no guarantee for success either?

Or take for example Stephen Hawking - surely highly educated and incredibly clever, but not responsible for the financial crisis even a tiny bit.

Maybe one could say that a certain minimal intelligence is necessity for making lots of money but greed and lying and all that are probably also needed and there is no one to one relationship because there are millions of highly educated people not doing any harm to anyone.

The normal, educated man should have voted for different parties (a real labour party if such a thing exists), even better would be to go himself into politics and learning about all that, the normal, educated man could have made a difference. But they seldomly do. Instead they always fall for the best act.
Stupid people don't stay rich for very long.
Post edited June 26, 2016 by richlind33
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itchy01ca01: Being racist isn't being polite or respectful and there are laws against it. You can't burn a cross on someones lawn.

Also, there are many, many ways in which you allow your freedom of speech to be impinged every single day, yet few people realize them. Go, try and yell "bomb" or "fire" in an airport. I dare you :)
That's not the same. If you yell "bomb" you are posing a security risk. If you read "Huckleberry Finn" - you are probably not becoming a racist but may actually even improve in some way. I'm all against racism but we should be careful to make sure we fight it where it happens and not chase ghosts (some old books).
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richlind33: ... Stupid people don't stay rich for very long.
Bush or Trump for example? Don't tell me they have a PhD in philosophy or sociology or economy or mathematics?
Post edited June 26, 2016 by Trilarion
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gamesfreak64: As for AP and PM i think that is weird, i prefer military time: 07:00 = 7 in the morning (7 AM) 19:00 is 7 in the evening (7 PM)
That reminds me, who originally came up with the bright idea that with an analog clock, a full circle is 12 hours, not 24 hours? Wouldn't 24 hours make more sense, since that's how many hours there are in a day?

Fortunately that ass didn't make our clocks show only 6 hours, then the Americans would have something like AM, PM, QM and RTM.

(Well, actually if I were to decide, we would have 10 hours in a day, each hour being 100 minutes, and each minute being 100 seconds. Or something like that.)
Post edited June 26, 2016 by timppu
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richlind33:
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Trilarion: Bush or Trump for example? Don't tell me they have a PhD in philosophy or sociology or economy or mathematics?
XD

Unfortunately I don't think Trump is stupid which makes him scary.

Bush on the other hand is and was a drooling moron.
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itchy01ca01: Being racist isn't being polite or respectful and there are laws against it. You can't burn a cross on someones lawn.

Also, there are many, many ways in which you allow your freedom of speech to be impinged every single day, yet few people realize them. Go, try and yell "bomb" or "fire" in an airport. I dare you :)
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Trilarion: That's not the same. If you yell "bomb" you are posing a security risk. If you read "Huckleberry Finn" - you are probably not becoming a racist but may actually even improve in some way. I'm all against racism but we should be careful to make sure we fight it where it happens and not chase ghosts (some old books).
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richlind33: ... Stupid people don't stay rich for very long.
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Trilarion: Bush or Trump for example? Don't tell me they have a PhD in philosophy or sociology or economy or mathematics?
GW is only rich on account of daddy. Trump is a fairly intelligent con man.
I bet that kind of behavior is already common place in certain areas of London. Twitter as a source just doesn't cut it.
Ive met highly educated people that are monkeys and uneducated people that are brilliant. The whole point of getting rid of the Aristocracy and creating Democracies was so that the wealthy, educated elites could no longer take advantage of the common man. Its a partnership and considering the wealthy have all the power the only thing left is a vote, now they want to belittle that too? If the super educated are unhappy maybe they should have never taken so much from everyone that the people felt the need for Brexits and Trumps to happen.
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Trilarion: Bush or Trump for example? Don't tell me they have a PhD in philosophy or sociology or economy or mathematics?
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tinyE: XD

Unfortunately I don't think Trump is stupid which makes him scary.

Bush on the other hand is and was a drooling moron.
NOFX - Idiot Son Of An Asshole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SVeoniKtM8
not sure this thread is still about the Brexit :p, but let's assume it is
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Trilarion: And what did voters actually vote on? Wasn't there any idea what leave would actually mean? How can people vote for something if they do not know what it will include - at least a time frame and a set of goals to achieve as well as a team to do that?
i was just reading this article which I found quite interesting:
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/

excerpt:

2. Handouts don’t produce gratitude
By the same token, it seems unlikely that those in these regions (or Cornwall or other economically peripheral spaces) would feel ‘grateful’ to the EU for subsidies. Knowing that your business, farm, family or region is dependent on the beneficence of wealthy liberals is unlikely to be a recipe for satisfaction [...]
While it may be one thing for an investment banker to understand that they ‘benefit from the EU’ in regulatory terms, it is quite another to encourage poor and culturally marginalised people to feel grateful towards the elites that sustain them through handouts, month by month. Resentment develops not in spite of this generosity, but arguably because of it. This isn’t to discredit what the EU does in terms of redistribution, but pointing to handouts is a psychologically and politically naïve basis on which to justify remaining in the EU.

In this context, the slogan ‘take back control’ was a piece of political genius. It worked on every level between the macroeconomic and the psychoanalytic. Think of what it means on an individual level to rediscover control. To be a person without control (for instance to suffer incontinence or a facial tick) is to be the butt of cruel jokes, to be potentially embarrassed in public. It potentially reduces one’s independence. What was so clever about the language of the Leave campaign was that it spoke directly to this feeling of inadequacy and embarrassment, then promised to eradicate it. The promise had nothing to do with economics or policy, but everything to do with the psychological allure of autonomy and self-respect. Farrage’s political strategy was to take seriously communities who’d otherwise been taken for granted for much of the past 50 years.

3. Brexit was not fuelled by a vision of the future
[...]This taps into a much broader cultural and political malaise, that also appears to be driving the rise of Donald Trump in the US. Amongst people who have utterly given up on the future, political movements don’t need to promise any desirable and realistic change.
[...] it seems clear that – beyond the rhetoric of ‘Great Britain’ and ‘democracy’ – Brexit was never really articulated as a viable policy, and only ever as a destructive urge, which some no doubt now feel guilty for giving way to.

Thatcher and Reagan rode to power by promising a brighter future, which never quite materialised other than for a minority with access to elite education and capital assets. The contemporary populist promise to make Britain or American ‘great again’ is not made in the same way. It is not a pledge or a policy platform; it’s not to be measured in terms of results. When made by the likes of Boris Johnson, it’s not even clear if it’s meant seriously or not. It’s more an offer of a collective real-time hallucination, that can be indulged in like a video game.

The Remain campaign continued to rely on forecasts, warnings and predictions, in the hope that eventually people would be dissuaded from ‘risking it’. But to those that have given up on the future already, this is all just more political rhetoric. In any case, the entire practice of modelling the future in terms of ‘risk’ has lost credibility, as evidenced by the now terminal decline of opinion polling as a tool for political control.
I don't see any problem with Brexit except for the name. It's a stupid name.

Other than that, fine. The UK voters have spoken and a majority wants out of the EU. That's not a problem. That's fine. Whether or not people were sufficiently informed when they voted in the referendum, is neither here nor there. There is no requirement for any voter ever to be informed.
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Trilarion: I'm amazed at the lack of any plan from the supporters of the leave campaign. I thought they would have discussed how to leave the EU while preparing the referendum. It seems they have no real plan except that someday, maybe, who knows... (The bizarre speech of Johnson was everything but a victory speech. Crazy.) And what did voters actually vote on? Wasn't there any idea what leave would actually mean? How can people vote for something if they do not know what it will include - at least a time frame and a set of goals to achieve as well as a team to do that?
This is the other thing that bugs me. You've been asking for this for years, and campaigning for it for at least a year. Why the hell does Boris not have something prepared for this eventuality?
It almost looks like it was all meant as a huge bluff and they're amazed that a) they won, and b) the EU hasn't gone 'Oh my god, please don't leave!'
And why would Boris want to put off invoking Article 50? Surely if leaving is such a good thing then he should be desperate for us to do it as soon as possible...
There's something not quite right about the whole thing.

Oh, and that story I mentioned earlier...
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immi101: not sure this thread is still about the Brexit :p
If Boris Johnson is having buyer's regret, what's the likelihood that it will be carried through?

Minimal, in my estimation. And maybe, just maybe, the people will begin to see that their leaders aren't leaders at all, and never were.