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Fallout SeriesI do not see Fallout in the store GoG.(47 posts)(47 posts)
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Posted July 22, 2015
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darthspudius: Fallout, Fallout 2 and Tactics appear to be DRM free on Steam.
Does not compute.
Posted July 22, 2015
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darthspudius: Fallout, Fallout 2 and Tactics appear to be DRM free on Steam.
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Fizzlebeef: Does not compute.
How so? There are many games on Steam that are DRM free.
Posted July 26, 2015
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Fizzlebeef: Does not compute.
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darthspudius: How so? There are many games on Steam that are DRM free.
Yet, they are not in any form of backup such as EXE installer, while having the overall size compressed.
Posted July 26, 2015
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darthspudius: How so? There are many games on Steam that are DRM free.
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Spy_Gentleman: Yet, they are not in any form of backup such as EXE installer, while having the overall size compressed.
So what? Compress and package the file yourself.
Posted July 26, 2015
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darthspudius: How so? There are many games on Steam that are DRM free.
I am having trouble understanding this argument, I am assuming what you mean is that once installed, Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics can run without needing Steam. However you still need to install the steam client to initially install the games, that is a requirement. Its not DRM-Free, its DRM-Lite, not the same thing.
Posted July 26, 2015
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darthspudius: How so? There are many games on Steam that are DRM free.
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lostintime: I am having trouble understanding this argument, I am assuming what you mean is that once installed, Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics can run without needing Steam. However you still need to install the steam client to initially install the games, that is a requirement. Its not DRM-Free, its DRM-Lite, not the same thing.
That's a load of bollocks! GOG needs a browser to download, that is DRM lite then I suppose. Witcher 3 needed Galaxy at launch. DRM? It's just a fucking program, get your head out the frickin sand and get over it.
Posted July 26, 2015
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darthspudius: GOG needs a browser to download, that is DRM lite then I suppose.
To me, there is a massive difference between an internet browser and the steam client. Obviously you see differently.
Posted July 27, 2015
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darthspudius: GOG needs a browser to download, that is DRM lite then I suppose.
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lostintime: To me, there is a massive difference between an internet browser and the steam client. Obviously you see differently.
No. What I see is games that need programs to download. What you have is a personal grudge which is not healthy.
Posted July 27, 2015
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lostintime: To me, there is a massive difference between an internet browser and the steam client. Obviously you see differently.
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darthspudius: No. What I see is games that need programs to download. What you have is a personal grudge which is not healthy.
On GOG.com we can download a game using any web browser... and then install that game as many times as we want because we can store/archive installer where we want. On Steam user must use Steam Client to install game. "You've uninstalled it accidentally? Oops! Download it again before install, Steam User(Slave)!"
Posted July 28, 2015
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darthspudius: No. What I see is games that need programs to download. What you have is a personal grudge which is not healthy.
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TPR: On GOG.com we can download a game using any web browser... and then install that game as many times as we want because we can store/archive installer where we want. On Steam user must use Steam Client to install game. "You've uninstalled it accidentally? Oops! Download it again before install, Steam User(Slave)!"
Ejem, Gog Galaxy and the fact now is harder to download games using the browser or even getting alarm of a update?

Anyway, there are many benefits from the client approach, same ones that have been kicking Gog hardly on the last years (By example patches).

By the way people, http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/e37c1e4147b3d8908bd6af486b43bae/202361895/fallout.jpg

Is tempting to get the nuke to hear the kaaboom?
Posted July 30, 2015
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darthspudius: No. What I see is games that need programs to download. What you have is a personal grudge which is not healthy.
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TPR: On GOG.com we can download a game using any web browser... and then install that game as many times as we want because we can store/archive installer where we want. On Steam user must use Steam Client to install game. "You've uninstalled it accidentally? Oops! Download it again before install, Steam User(Slave)!"
The main argument is: with gog you are allowed to use your backups independently of the account, you bought the game, while the steam license explicitly link the game (even if it runs without the client) legal-wise to the account. So, if you lose your steam account (Steam claims the right to be allowed to drop your account for dubious reasons) you lose your game legally. Unlike gog, where you own the game as person in an unremovable, untethered way.
Post edited July 30, 2015 by shaddim
Posted July 30, 2015
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TPR: On GOG.com we can download a game using any web browser... and then install that game as many times as we want because we can store/archive installer where we want. On Steam user must use Steam Client to install game. "You've uninstalled it accidentally? Oops! Download it again before install, Steam User(Slave)!"
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shaddim: The main argument is: with gog you are allowed to use your backups independently of the account, you bought the game, while the steam license explicitly link the game (even if it runs without the client) legal-wise to the account. So, if you lose your steam account (Steam claims the right to be allowed to drop your account for dubious reasons) you lose your game legally. Unlike gog, where you own the game as person in an unremovable, untethered way.
If/When Valve will change EULA for Steam and somebody will not agree with them then Steam account will be removed and all PAID games will be lost forever. This is really serious disadvantage... :-|
Posted August 03, 2015
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shaddim: The main argument is: with gog you are allowed to use your backups independently of the account, you bought the game, while the steam license explicitly link the game (even if it runs without the client) legal-wise to the account. So, if you lose your steam account (Steam claims the right to be allowed to drop your account for dubious reasons) you lose your game legally. Unlike gog, where you own the game as person in an unremovable, untethered way.
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TPR: If/When Valve will change EULA for Steam and somebody will not agree with them then Steam account will be removed and all PAID games will be lost forever. This is really serious disadvantage... :-|
That's not a disadvantage, it shoild be illegal.
The more you buy into those Steam Summer sales, the more Valve can hold you ransom.

What an awful time for PC gaming.
I'm super thankful for GOG, which more people bothered to vote with their wallets in their interest.
Buy more DRM-free games, people.

A game is on Steam AND GOG? Get it here.
Or through Humble Store, if it's DRM-free there.
Or another DRM-free store.

Don't make Valve too mighty.

Ooops, sorry for participating in the massive off-topic spree.
Posted August 03, 2015
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TPR: If/When Valve will change EULA for Steam and somebody will not agree with them then Steam account will be removed and all PAID games will be lost forever. This is really serious disadvantage... :-|
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glassedsilver: That's not a disadvantage, it shoild be illegal.
I don't want to take you down or something but... it already happened some time ago. It was a big change after some legal actions IRL against companies which sale software. Conclusion was: "if you bought it you can sell it". That's why you can no longer BUY games at Steam - right now paying customers can RENT them only (software as a service).

And Valve has said: "If you do not agree your Steam account will be closed". Everything legal. "These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along... move along." :-/
Posted August 03, 2015
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glassedsilver: That's not a disadvantage, it shoild be illegal.
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TPR: I don't want to take you down or something but... it already happened some time ago. It was a big change after some legal actions IRL against companies which sale software. Conclusion was: "if you bought it you can sell it". That's why you can no longer BUY games at Steam - right now paying customers can RENT them only (software as a service).

And Valve has said: "If you do not agree your Steam account will be closed". Everything legal. "These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along... move along." :-/
In Europe, the right that we buy software is defended, also against EULAs whcih tell otherwise.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregvoakes/2012/07/03/european-courts-rule-in-favor-of-consumers-reselling-downloaded-games/
Post edited August 03, 2015 by shaddim
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