Yeah, I think a lot of people misunderstood dialogues in the game. First game genuinely tried to have interesting dialogue, and failed terribly during the attempt. However, most fans claimed that it was so bad it was good. And so, instead of 'fixing the issue' in the second game, they just embraced it fully and the dialogues gave me quite a few genuine laughs. "I killed your aunt" definitely one of them :D

I wasn't talking about just the female character design, I mean the design of the entire world. The natural areas are beautiful to be sure, but there is absolutely no originality whatsoever in the way the world and its cultures are designed. It's all been seen before in other games or in the Lord of the Rings movies.

I like the series, but I'm tired of this industry always taking the least amount of effort in creativity and being permanently stuck in their teens. Would it be too much to ask for someone to finally make a fantasy world that doesn't look it's straight out of Comic Con? Shit like this wouldn't fly in fantasy movies anymore, not even on TV. Why shouldn't we expect games to improve too? How about using some of that imagination and doing something new? For crying out loud, if they don't have the skills for that, could they at least nick stuff from other sources but Tolkien and other games for a change? *sigh*

First of all: Stop that. Every single post of yours contains something about 'stuck in teens', 'in their mothers basement' - it makes me think whether you're not stuck in your teens, spilling your frustration. In my teens, I've been a part of fairly big community of amateur writers, and while my works kind of sucked, I've seen incredibly imaginative and amazing works written by teens, usually outsiders. So please, stop talking about teenagers as if they were incapable idiots.

Oh yeah, Hobbit and Game of Thrones both struggle to make money. The game was always upfront about being cliché, read the bloody description and see the screenshots, and traditional, tolkien-esque settings are still just about the most popular ones. They're very prominent in TV, in literature, and in games. I'm not saying it's necessarily good, I'm just saying that that's how things are.

However, while very much traditional in its take on fantasy, the first place Two Worlds 2 lets you run amok in is Savannah. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen many fantasy RPGs set in Savannah, with vultures sitting on rocks around and with an occasional rhino - so while the game is not original, it's not completely without its own ideas.

And as for the graphics design (and level design), both are amazing. The first bigger town you get in lets you scale all of its rooftops. How many fantasy RPGs did that? Oh wait, none? And the graphics were done by someone incredibly talented, they're gorgeous - including women with massive cleavages. They're incredibly cliché, but that's the point of this game, really. And that brings me to another point: How many games were this sarcastic when it came to fantasy RPGs? All I remember is Bard's Tale, and humor of that game was far too overt for me to enjoy.

You are right. There are teens who act smarter than the average gamer. Comparing the two is an insult to teenagers.

Pardon me spilling my frustration. I think I have been in the gaming community for far too long. Let me just say that being a female gamer can give you an "interesting" perspective on the inner mental workings of a load of people in gaming. It's pretty sad to see how mentally and emotionally challenged supposed grownups can be. Give it enough time and it can make anyone a pessimist.

Might and Magic.

I guess for the rest we have to agree to disagree. I'm not convinced the Two Words universe is wholly made as a parody, but I could be wrong. Two Worlds is fine as it is, but I still wish this industry as a whole would strive for better things than just stealing ideas.

Talk to Iocus in Basel's tavern in Hazmidar. Still not convinced? That's basically what Fenixp was writing about 4 posts ago.

Actually, there are quite a bit of unique titles. See Zeno Clash and Zeno Clash 2 for example, and there are many modern AAA titles which try to do their own thing or at least mix up the bag a bit - Dishonored, Mirror's Edge, even Far Cry 3 did quite a few nice things for the FPS genre. Problem is that you're talking as if iteration was bad, where in fact that is the road to innovation - the only way that you can build you product in a manner that's understandable, playable and fun is to build it upon foundations set by others, and pick your own little things that you wish to add to the mix. Two World is most definitely not a carbon copy of other RPGs, it does it's own thing - it just takes a lot from other games. But is that really bad? Do you think we'd have those utterly unique games like Zeno Clash in a playable state if there weren't games that did something similar before? No, we would not.

You might not like the setting in Two Worlds II, you might not see how overly exaggerated it is, and that's fine, you don't have to buy it. But you also can't claim that it's completely uninspired and without merits. The creators have opted to build their own little ideas into a world that's been created by someone else, and that's perfectly fine. You just can't expect everyone to come up with their own original ideas, if nothing else, just because it's more or less impossible to do so completely.
Well that brings the grand total to 3, or 9 if you count every MaM game as an individual addition :-P

I wouldn't say parody but lighthearted fun like, for example, being instructed to recite the Baa, baa black sheep nursery rime while clapping hands to open a magic portal or collecting fur balls from killed felines . :)

Like for example Divine Divinity, Titan Quest and Torchlight which are good games by their own merits not just some Diablo "clones".

Its not just two worlds 2.If u play the first game u won't see many female npcs around.Personally, so far where i've reached in two worlds 1, i've never seen a single female npc except for the protagonist's sister! But it matters little to me. I just enjoy the game...completing quests, finding items, exploring. I mean not every medieval fantasy rpg has to be like morrowind or oblivion....

I guess I was being unclear. I meant fantasy in gaming has become very stale. Everyone just copies what other have done without bothering to use the least bit of creativity. Fantasy as a genre has changed and moved forward with stuff like Game of Thrones, but in games we still have juvenile power fantasies with front-heavy babes in silly clothing, big ass swords that would make Freud snicker, snotty elves, dwarves with a drinking problem, and all the other old clichés from AD&D from 20 years ago. Stuff that's just stupid and awkward and breaks suspension of disbelief. I'd like us to move beyond that already. Of course there are some exceptions, but that's what they are: rare exceptions.

That's where I have to disagree. I think the Two Worlds world is one of the most uninspired and unoriginal fantasy worlds I've seen in RPGs. Perhaps we are familiar with different fantasy worlds, but I'd be hard-pressed to find anything original about Antaloor. It's just a mesh of countless of other fantasy game worlds before it.

Yes and no. I enjoy adventuring in Antaloor, I just wish it wasn't such a typical example of the state of creativity fantasy games.

Driftmoon, Penny Arcade, Cthulhu Saves the World, Half-Minute Hero, Breath of Death, Knights of Pen and Paper, Synopsis Quest, UnEpic, Secrets of Grindea, etc...

There's a lot of parodic indie RPGs. I suppose for an amateur it's an easy genre.

99% percent of games and films are about humans, ergo humans are cliche so let's start making movies about hamsters and aliens...

What you described is basically what makes fantasy a fantasy. That's why Tolkien, Sapkowski, Warhammer, D&D and other traditional fantasy stuff is so popular. There's also a lot of alternative fantasy books, films and games so people like you could stop whining and force their views onto others.

Juvenile power fantasies? Another post of yours and back to the same topic. I'm starting to believe that the only person here who didn't get laid and lives in her parent's basement is you.

PS: Calling Game of Thrones fantasy is like calling Diablo a roleplaying game. It's more political drama than anything else.

It seems like I'm upsetting people by having differing opinions.

I guess that's my cue to leave. The board is all your, fellas. G'day.

I think calling people who enjoy TW2/traditional fantasy juvenile nerds has more to do with it.

I was hesitant to post in this thread because I haven't played Two Worlds 2 yet. But I'm disturbed by some of the posts I'm seeing here. Just from looking at the promo image and screenshots for the game, there are two images of a woman wearing some kind of bizarre red bondage platemail thing that leaves her entire midriff and most of her breasts exposed, and another woman wearing some kind of weird leather bikini top. The men, of course, are all wearing full suits of clothing or massive armor. None of them are in jockstraps or thongs.

Saying "but the game is fun!" does not excuse this stuff. At best, it's lazy design, and at worst, it's blatant catering to a (male) audience that supposedly likes looking at unrealistic, scantily-clad ladies while playing their RPGs. I think it's insulting to women, and it's also insulting to me, because I prefer a believable world instead of a ridiculous double-standard for gender.

The worst part is that it has nothing to do with the actual game. Everything I've read about the actual game makes it sound like something I'd really enjoy playing. And I enjoyed the first Two Worlds, despite it having the same problem with the protagonist's sister.

Now, some of you will likely say that it's all meant as a parody. And I know there's some silly stuff in the series, some of which has been pointed out in this thread. But, at least in the first game, I never got the sense that the ridiculously-clad sister character was a parody. I can't comment on the second game, having not played it yet, but it doesn't sound like the women specifically come off as a parody either. There might be a general silliness to the game, but simply being a game that's not meant to be taken seriously doesn't mean it can get away with objectifying women to such a degree.

I guess I'll end with this: several posters are getting mad at other posters calling them "juvenile nerds". But Reality Pump are calling you that too. They put this stuff in the game because they think you're juvenile nerds who like looking at nearly naked women and who can't appreciate more mature and sophisticated characters. They think you're more likely to buy a game if it has a half-naked woman on the cover. The rest of the game may be great, but this stuff is an insult to you. I'm don't understand why more people aren't getting mad about it.

Because it's so over the top it's silly, that's why I don't find it weird or disturbing in any way, shape or form. When I see these things in, say, an MMO that's taking itself completely seriously, I shrug, because the 'female armor' is definitely unrealistic, non-practical and just generally ... Not very believable. But Two Worlds II is not really trying to be any of those things, instead, it's just ... Over the top in an ever so subtle manner.

What you're basically saying is 'Oh it's fine when the game is exaggerated in any other way, but when it's exaggerated in women, it's sexist!' - first of all, it's exaggerated in its males as well, important soldiers tend to be badasses who only speak in groans. In light of that, calling out the game's portrayal of women is sexist, you see, as you don't call out portrayal of men and ... Absolutely everything else, really.

And when I can't be immersed and take the game seriously -anyway-, I'll rather gaze at barely clothed female chracters, because... I just will. I'm sorry. Oh wait, I'm not sorry, not really, I like looking at scantily clothed women. Call me a chauvinist pig, sexist bastard and an asshole objectifying women, but you should then proceed to ask my wife how much do I objectify her, or any of my female friends for that matter.