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The following may be a rant following installing patch 1.05 and discovering new crap went wrong.

I had great expectations for this game.

Don't get me wrong, this is a beautifully rendered game. It's yet another testament of how far real time rendering has progressed over the last two decades.

I preordered this game over 6 months ago. By principle, I normally do not preorder games because I see it as yet another money grubbing attempt by marketing executive.

I did preorder THe Witcher 3 because:
A) I really liked the first two games.
B) I like gog.com's promise to gamers about DRM free games.
C) I expected it to come out in February, which was only a 3 month wait time when I bought it.

As to point C, the release date was delayed 3 more month. http://linuxgamenews.com/post/104701463250/the-witcher-3-release-delayed-until-may-2015. That article claims that CDPR sent an open letter to the fans. I apparently wasn't on the recipients list..

The release date was delayed to allow more bug fixes. Which kind of makes me wonder, what the fuck really happened there? Patch after patch fix some issues but create several more.

TO THE DEVS, I say:

I know that software development is a complex business but I also know that for many problems solutions already exist. The witcher 2 was a fine engine. I can only assume that you used that as your base for the witcher 3. Why so many regressions then?

If you are using Agile development method to manage the project, STOP THAT RIGHT NOW. Agile works for code that can be implemented in small increments and not even then sometimes. Timeboxing is a horrible side effect of wanting to do Agile right. Any large project where subsystems have to interact a lot only suffers more and more tech dept as the sprints go by. If you're not using Agile, either carry on or fall back and regroup and rethink your strategy moving foward.

Try to automate your debugging? Unit testing of sorts. The story tree (quest/dialogues descision trees) and NPC and PC interactions could be sandboxed, i.e run independently of the whole game. Test the expected outcome against the actual outcome, state of the tree, position (x,y,z coords) and state of various entities at each states, etc. There's probably a few hundred quests, a few thousand NPCs and interactables at most. It seems like a large number but perhaps one of you clever lads can figure out how to programmatically generate testing scenarios and reports on the outcomes. Sure there may be millions of scenarios, but it would cost less to have a computer run overnight to generate and test the scenarios than have humans trying to figure out what's wrong. Even if the automated tests detects 50% of remaining bugs, it means you know 50% of what you have remaining to do. Algorithms can always be perfected and you can gradually move towards better bug detection.

Allow the game to load loose files instead of reading the bundle/cache files et al. Modders can help you fix bugs you don't have the resources to reproduce.

Perhaps, open up a bug tracker of sorts to the public? It will reduce the number of duplicate reports, probably help manage what must be the sheer numbers of complaints coming in and very probably allow the community to help out.

Perhaps we should all submit out bug reports through the support system:

http://www.gog.com/support/contact/technical_issues_with_games/the_witcher_3_wild_hunt_preorder

then maybe our grievances will get to the right people faster.
"Are the bug posted here even getting to the CDPR devs?"

Chances are, no they're not, because you should be posting bugs here instead:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/forums/174-Tech-Support

GOG don't fix the game bugs. CDPR do.
Post edited June 07, 2015 by MrBMT
gog.com and CDPR are essentially owned by the same company. And gog.com offers technical support for the games it has for sale.

So yeah it shouldn't matter where we post the bug reports, the problem is that are they getting red and put in whatever queue they have for their developers to fix.
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MrBMT: Chances are, no they're not, because you should be posting bugs here instead:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/forums/174-Tech-Support
Except that CDP forums are so badly programmed, that only a select few are actually able to log in or view them. See the many related articles in this very forum on this issue (not being able to log in without using Google Chrome).
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ketwaroo: gog.com and CDPR are essentially owned by the same company. And gog.com offers technical support for the games it has for sale.

So yeah it shouldn't matter where we post the bug reports, the problem is that are they getting red and put in whatever queue they have for their developers to fix.
They may be owned by the same parent company, but this isn't the place to post in-game bugs if you want them fixed.

GOG offer technical support as in 'the game doesn't run', just like they do with any other game they sell. Not technical support as in 'fix this in-game bug'.

If you want bugs to be put into CDPR's 'to fix' queue, well, I've already mentioned how you do that.
I reported an issue that way, it was fixed with the 1.05 patch.
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Hickory: Except that CDP forums are so badly programmed, that only a select few are actually able to log in or view them. See the many related articles in this very forum on this issue (not being able to log in without using Google Chrome).
I've seen some people have had issues with them, yes. The forum uses very common forum software (vbulletin), so the way it's 'programmed' shouldn't come in to it.

For the record, I'm using FireFox and it works fine most of the time. I've noticed sometimes their server seems to be overloaded though.

If the forums don't work, use their contact form instead: http://en.cdprojektred.com/contact-support/
Post edited June 07, 2015 by MrBMT

They may be owned by the same parent company, but this isn't the place to post in-game bugs if you want them fixed.
Well they should have that priceless nugget bloody pinned then. Would save us from having to wade through the hundreds of bug threads that get opened here.

GOG offer technical support as in 'the game doesn't run', just like they do with any other game they sell. Not technical support as in 'fix this in-game bug'.
The form on the support page on gog.com has a list of technical problems including "graphical corruption". They do have developers who actually fix old games to make them run with newer systems. That does not magically happen.

Gog.com and CDPR also happened to be in the same fucking building in Poland. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com:

GOG.com (formerly Good Old Games) is a distribution service and publisher for PC games and films, operated by GOG Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of CD Projekt based in Warsaw, Poland
Chances are both companies share tech and support people and infrastructure. If they don't, that would be stupid, now wouldn't it? You'll also notice the similarities in information requested by both sites. Both ask for dxdiag reports and request images to be attached. It's not far fetched to suspect that they use the same backend to collect that information.

Also the fact that it ask for your gog.com account credentials to log in should he a dead giveaway.

I'm not questioning your personal experience or successes, I'm glad that things worked out for you since in means things also worked out for the rest of us. I'm just irritated at the obvious lack of efficiency of their grievance collection.

I am following your advice to repost to the CDPR support page however. Perhaps you are right and it might help in the end.
Post edited June 07, 2015 by ketwaroo
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MrBMT: I've seen some people have had issues with them, yes. The forum uses very common forum software (vbulletin), so the way it's 'programmed' shouldn't come in to it.

For the record, I'm using FireFox and it works fine most of the time. I've noticed sometimes their server seems to be overloaded though.

If the forums don't work, use their contact form instead: http://en.cdprojektred.com/contact-support/
It's irrelevant what software the forum uses, nor it's add-ons. There is an undeniable fact that their specific forum (not other vBuletin forums) prevent people from logging in. You navigate to the page, your details are already entered into the log in form, but when you press/apply the form just returns in an infinite loop. You cannot log in, period. That is software, not server -- I can view the forums perfectly well, I just can't participate, and haven't been able to since before TW3 came out. I refuse to use their contact form for this.
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MrBMT: If the forums don't work, use their contact form instead: http://en.cdprojektred.com/contact-support/
Unfortunately if you use Internet Explorer 11, you cant even contact support for the same reason you can't log in or sign up there.

I tried, the box just disappears without sending your message.
I sent the same message to GOG a week & a half ago & at least I got an automated reply. (but no real reply)
Hmm, this seems to contradict the widely held belief that CDPR are so customer friendly and listen to their userbase. If that were the case, a more efficient system would be in place for feedback ...

As much as I love the game and have highly praised it to anyone that will listen (in overall content it is becoming my favorite game/entertainment of all time!), as I get further in the bugs are so numerous that I have to say it makes Bethesda launch games look like highly polished products!

I hope they have most of these problems sorted in the coming months when I do my second playthrough.
Post edited June 07, 2015 by davevh
CDPRed devs have been fairly active on their own forums since launch, whereas there seems to have been no dev activity here at all!

"...it makes Bethesda launch games look like highly polished products!" Really? Come now, aren't they are about on par? lol :)

BTW, i have had no problems logging onto http://forums.cdprojektred.com/forums/6 using Firefox. The day 1.05 was launched the forums where comically slow though...
By way of bump, still not able to log in. It would be really nice if somebody reading these forums were to make it know over in the CDPR forums that people are being kept from logging in.
Apparently, if you live in the US, the CDPR devs want you to send your support tickets through Warner Bros Game.

I got essentially similar responses to two support requests I made. They gave me the link http://support.wbgames.com/link/portal/24022/24028/ArticleFolder/434/Witcher-3-Wild-Hunt.

It doesn't make sense. I never had dealings with WB games at any point when I bought the game on gog.com. It's just adding an extra layer you have to go though to send them bug reports..

I'm not american dammit. I just live there at the moment.
Post edited June 08, 2015 by ketwaroo