I was looking for something on YouTube and came across the scene where you have to save Iorveth in the end of Chapter 2 on Roche's side. Only, his reaction was different than in my game and I was wondering what affects it. I played Roche's side only once and I might not have time to play it again, so I turn to you.

In my game, conversation went something like:

Geralt: Your dream's over, Iorveth.
Iorveth: Never...

And in the YouTube video:

Iorveth: There will be no next time. There is no more Saskia, no Upper Aedirn... It's all gone.

I guess I'm confused because you don't see much of Saskia on Roche's path and she's alive and well in Act 3 no matter what you do or which path you take. Maybe I just don't remember if you do anything to conquer Upper Aedirn. Any ideas?

Maybe decision to give sword to him, in 1st chapter, influences this?

Hmm maybe, I gave my sword to Roche and the YouTube guy gave it to Iorveth. Did anyone else make this decision? I don't see why Iorveth's moral would drop like that because of something in Ch1...

This is the video I originally mentioned, btw, starts at 2:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-g370XuM1o

i think its to do with the fight between roche and iorveth in the flashback. whoever won the fight i think that makes a difference. For me i only played the game once, went Roches path, but chose to give sword to Iorveth.

The response i got was of upper aedirn never being the same and saskia gone etc....I gave iorverth sword, and let roche lose the 1 on 1 fight with iorveth.

Oh wow, it never occurred to me that you could lose the 1 on 1 fight. You're probably right, then. Too bad the two events are too far away to be easily checked D:

i made sure roche won his 1 on 1 duel with iorveth, but i got the same "your dream is over" response, so i don't think that's a variable.

Okay, so we're back to square one. It wouldn't make any sense if losing a fight to Roche made Upper Aedirn fall, anyway.

Well, it does fall anyway. It's just that "Never" response is a bit more aggressive, spiteful, considering that in that case Gerals was never actually helpful to Iorveth before.

On the other hand, other response is more like something Iorveth would say to his friend (sincere, realistic response).

No, the entire conversation is different. The "Never..." response shows that Iorveth is ready to continue fighting in spite of almost dying, in spite of Geralt telling him the dream is over. The "No more Saskia" response is him just giving up, completely. That's what confused me, I don't remember doing anything on Roche's path to affect Iorveth and his goals. He doesn't even appear until that (optional) sequence.

Maybe it's random? (I got the "never" response).

like i said fellas...i did the roche path, gave iorveth the sword. i got the saskia is gone, aedirn is fallen response. The one thing i did different from you guys is i let roche LOSE the 1 on 1 fight.

Not win, Lose. So my pattern is basically = give iorveth sword, chose roche path, let roche LOSE the 1 on 1.

thats how i got my response. I think thats why my response is different from yours. It is a variable i believe. thats as far as i can think...dunno if there is anything else.

Yes, but there's an entire chapter between losing the fight and having that conversation - looots of choices to be made there. We'd probably have to compare every choice made in Chapter 2 to figure it out :( I think it's related to Saskia/Aedirn, not Iorveth's hurt ego (he does bitch at you for betraying him in "Never..." response).

I got the Iorveth saying There is no more Saskia, no Upper Aedirn... It's all gone. I gave Iorveth his sword but Roche won the fight.

I've never seen the other line. Interesting, it seems like I learn something new about this game every time I come here.

It may just be a story issue. Much like in the intro which never made any sense. One in particular is Roche's surprise during Geralt's interrogation, in which he acts like the Sociatel?(sp) involvement is a new facet, yet this was mentioned in the cutscene before entering the temple in front on Foltest and Roche. There are several flaws in the story like that, one I haven't figured out is Margot's Note ...I've not noticed a decision where Iorveth take's the note.

In my first playthough I'm pretty sure I had that same Never response (was pro-Roche all the way).

I always interpreted it as "Over? F**k you Geralt, I'll never give up!". Totally in Iorveth personality.

In my 3rd playthrough I was giving Iorveth sword, but still continued Roche's path (including Roche wining the due;). And I'm pretty sure I didn't got Never response. Probably same all is lost.

Now, my theory is, as I said before, that in case when Geralt is pretty much Iorveth adversary, he will "never" admit defeat, while in case when he was friend (who just didn't continued with him to 2nd chapter), he'll admit defeat (and drop the "act").

EDIT:
Anyway, I have some saves (both sword combination, with Roche wining duel), and will check this thing soon.

EDIT2:
I checked both cases and they had different conversations. Those lines above are just small fragment of those conversations.

And just as I suspected, first case is sort of "hostile" conversation (Iorveth also mentions what Geralt "did" in Flotsam, plus that he was surprised to see Geralt now), while second one is more on friendly terms.

I don't think Iorveth lost any more hope in second case then first, it's just that he doesn't want to show defeat to his adversaries.