Hey all playing H5 again that I bought from gog here. Playing the original and trying out a small map single scenario to get back into the game as I never played it much before.

Chose Inferno and Dele the Iron Maiden as my starting hero. That FBall Ballista is just so powerful and can make for a super great start. But for some reason I am not able to get the "Tripple Ballista" skill.

I have tried multiple times and gotten my Hero upto at least lvl 10 and cannot seem to get this. You should be able to get this skill by level 4 as it only needs Hellfire, Adv WarMachines and Ballista skills. Even getting First Aid Tent early this only adds 2 more levels needed. Now it will not give me the option for anything more in this group but Catapult.

I am using a skill wheel from Celestial Heavens . com and I thought it was upto date but perhaps it's wrong. Please help me out if you know what's up here.

www.celestialheavens.com/viewpage.php?id=520

Sigh after a bit more research I have found the reason why is that skill trees / skill wheels between versions of the game got majorly overhauled.

In my case for example Tripple Ballista is not even available, it got added in one of the expansions apparently. This is why it always stuck me with Catapult because that was the only skill left in that branch that was possible for me to get.

Another really annoying thing is that apparently racial ultimates are harder to get sadly. For instance the Demons Urgash's call skill has less requirements in Tribes than it does in the original. In Tribes expansion you would only have to spend 24 skill points to get it on a generic Demon Lord. In the original though it takes 29 Skill Points.

Both version you need the following with the ones in brackets being replacements for ones marked with *, sometimes the marked ability no longer exists, or changed requirements like Master of Pain being replaced by Master of Mind in Tribes.

Gating > Consume Corpse > Mark of the Damned > (Hellfire)
Logistics > Pathfinding > Swift Gating > Teleport Assault
Attack >Battle Frenzy > Excruciating Strike > Flaming Arrows* (Power of Speed)
Dark Magic > Master of Pain* (Master of Mind)> Weakening Strike > Corrupted Soil* (Dark Renewal)
(Luck > Soldiers Luck > Swarming Gate > Deadmans Curse) Luck not needed in Tribes at all for ultimate skill.

Skill Wheel for Original NON expansion game is found here
http://www.aurelain.ro/works/aurelain_skillwheel/skillwheel.swf

Sadly if this was Heroes 3 they would have gone back and made the skills the same in all 3 parts as it's such an annoying thing especially as they did not make a "Complete" type version but instead make you launch each core or expansion individually. Not to mention they don't include info on how to get the ultimate skills so if you accidently choose a wrong one, well you SOL (SH*T outta Luck).