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bansama: It's no worse than Steam. In fact, for me, it's been better than Steam in several cases. Just none of them involving actual distribution =/
Well, with Steam I can format my computer, reinstall Steam over the old copy (on another drive, naturally), then immediately have access to all of my games again. In that sense it's even more convenient than retail copies.

With GFWL I have to reinstall the game; go through the utterly painful process of re-registering the game with GFWL again (why they make such a meal of it is beyond me); then I get the joy of finding out the saves I backed up no longer work because I - stupid fucking me - completely forgot to back up some hidden away core GFWL files along with them. Oh the endless joy.

But yes, I can see why they're about equal to you considering you can pretty much buy nothing from either.
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Virama: Okay! That's fucking it! I must submit a plea:

I have Fallout 3 GOTY (yes, including all expansions) and it is a legit version.

I have tried to play it a couple times - first time went well, got as far as about level 6 or something then it crashed on me. I didn't go back due to being busy and forgot about it for a week or two then tried again, and realised my save game was wiped. I was like "WTF" but thought it must have been some minor bug. So I start again. Get all the way out of the Vault and complete the leaking faucet quest, then I leave the game alone for a while satisfied that I can come back and start some epicness.

Well, tonight I do that. And guess what? It crashes on me so I decide to try and load the autosave only to find to my horror the save games are wiped AGAIN.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? Doesn't Live save your game or something? Is there any way to fix this bullshit?

The game just freezes then crashes. Nothing fancy...

Specs:

Win7 64bit
Nvidia 460
8gig DDR3 1333mhz


....????
That's so bogus. I don't even have trouble playing it on my MacBook Pro. So I guess my suggestion is to get a Mac. :p
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Virama: It's not DLC - it came in a 2 DVD pack - Fallout3 and the expansions in the second, so it's not technically DLC.

And yes I manually saved, that disappeared too?!?!?! I make sure I use F5 quite a lot, old habit.

So yeah, seriously, what the heck?
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Navagon: Okay, there's a possibility that the GotY is tied up with GFWL in ways that the standard version isn't. Are you logged into GFWL when you start the game? Some GFWL games require you to be logged into that (offline is an option) before you're able to save.

But normally that would mean your saves are tied up with GFWL which really shouldn't be the case here.
Thanks everyone for all the replies!

Last night the net was screwing up so I just went to bed and just now I saw all the replies, decided to start up F3 and see if it really was the internet...

My saves are back because I could log into GFWL. =\
This amazes me - they SHOULD back up on your computer AND online, not just one or the other. Frigging stupid if you ask me but meh, that's how it is huh.

Just SO relieved that I don't have to do that stupid start all over again - it's a royal pain :P 1 hour of non-exciting blather that is EXACTLY THE SAME every single time apart from the GOAT test. This one part really should be fixed.

*shrug*
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Delixe: Turn off the autosave completey as it's broken. Instead rely on manual saves or use this mod. Also when you have done a significant plot mission get in the habbit of making a clean save. To do that open the console and type "save <savename>". Savegames should be stored in the My Documents>My Games>Fallout 3>Saves folder on Windows 7.
And thanks for this tip! Will start doing this religiously so I can (hopefully) play this if the net ever crashes full time. =\
Post edited October 25, 2010 by Virama
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Virama: My saves are back because I could log into GFWL. =\
This is very odd. I'd look into the options in GFWL (in game) and see if you can't change this.
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Virama: My saves are back because I could log into GFWL. =\
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Navagon: This is very odd. I'd look into the options in GFWL (in game) and see if you can't change this.
Can't see where to change it... BOTH in game and on website. Very very weird. =\
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Virama: Can't see where to change it... BOTH in game and on website. Very very weird. =\
Moving the DLC (or whatever you want to call it) into the game directory may help. But I'm not sure to what degree. They belong in the folder with the files of the same file type. Data, gamedata. Something like that.
The reason it's done this way is only online accounts recieve the achievements they're basicly trying to stop you using an offline moded game to get all the achievements.
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wodmarach: The reason it's done this way is only online accounts recieve the achievements they're basicly trying to stop you using an offline moded game to get all the achievements.
So moving the DLC to the install directory and not logging into GFWL = solution (minus achievements).