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Breja: If you say so. I think a developer with so many great games to their name should not be declared all bad and hopeless because of one title.
It's not just one title though, they don't really make 'traditional' adventure games anymore. Back to the Future from 2010/2011 was their last I believe, still 'traditional' in structure, but very linear and easy.

And ever since Jurassic Park they've turned to "interactive experience" games, stripped of adventure gameplay and challenge, instead relying on decision-making via dialogue and QTE-based action sequences. Haven't played them myself, but I've read that in The Wolf Among Us and latest Walking Dead games there's even barely any exploration or environment interaction left, just sequences of set-pieces in which the player makes decisions that push the story forward, some of which have various consequences.

Not saying whether they're good or not (obviously very popular, touted for their storytelling), but the Telltale of today is nothing like the Telltale you know from their earlier games.
Kamashii: I remember for the warcraft games they were rereleased at least 2 times,warcraft 2 bnet edition. and warcraft battlechest which had war1-3. But it's been years since then.


Breja: I believe it will take a while,they will release,but on their own time.

As for the adventure since they scraped it for quality reasons,unlikely,or at laest as likely as seing starcraft ghost getting released :P
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Sorapak: As for the adventure since they scraped it for quality reasons,unlikely,or at laest as likely as seing starcraft ghost getting released :P
Oh, yeah, i had forgotten about Starcraft Ghosts. From what i remember that game was already pretty far into development before Blizzard decided to pull the plug. And from the gameplay videos it was really looking like it would have been a great game.
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Breja:
Augh what the hell? Like the world needs more MMOs. I really really miss the old Blizzard. For me, the cartoony design of SC2 killed the vibe. Never played D3 after the DRM tastic SC2 experience, but I haven't heard much positive.
What people here seem to not realize about Warcraft is that after so many years of the franchise, the lore has reached such a convoluted stage that the devs cannot release a strategy game while still in the middle of the planned expansion because then everything story related changes and complicates stuff further. Not to even mention last thing Blizzard wants is to alienate their MMO fanbase with and RTS release that doesn't have anything to do necessarily with the MMO. Stories of games like Warcraft don't work like that. There is a very good youtube video that explains this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDI7XLdtPCg
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ShadowWulfe: Augh what the hell? Like the world needs more MMOs. I really really miss the old Blizzard.
World of Warcraft's subscriber numbers are continually dropping so Blizzard want to be ready with the next market-dominating title while at the same time not launching it too soon since that would then further reduce the subscribers for the previous game--and many players won't be interested in the new game (regardless of what it actually is).
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HijacK: What people here seem to not realize about Warcraft is that after so many years of the franchise, the lore has reached such a convoluted stage that the devs cannot release a strategy game while still in the middle of the planned expansion because then everything story related changes and complicates stuff further.
Oh nonsense. I know that Warcraft lore is basically superhero comics level convoluted now, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. It could be a prequel. Even one set hundreds of years before the first game. Or it could be a sequel and complicate stuff further. Honestly, so what? Does it really matter if the thing to muddy things now is another WoW expansion, a book, a comic or an RTS?

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HijacK: Not to even mention last thing Blizzard wants is to alienate their MMO fanbase with and RTS release that doesn't have anything to do necessarily with the MMO.
How would that alienate anybody? It's not like playing the new RTS would be necessary to keep playing WoW. I really don't see the problem.

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HijacK: Stories of games like Warcraft don't work like that.
Like what? Like you can make a new game in the same universe? I'm pretty sure tha'ts exactly how they work.
Post edited September 08, 2014 by Breja
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HijacK: What people here seem to not realize about Warcraft is that after so many years of the franchise, the lore has reached such a convoluted stage that the devs cannot release a strategy game while still in the middle of the planned expansion because then everything story related changes and complicates stuff further.
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Breja: Oh nonsense. I know that Warcraft lore is basically superhero comics level convoluted now, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. It could be a prequel. Even one set hundreds of years before the first game. Or it could be a sequel and complicate stuff further. Honestly, so what? Does it really matter if the thing to muddy things now is another WoW expansion, a book, a comic or an RTS?

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HijacK: Not to even mention last thing Blizzard wants is to alienate their MMO fanbase with and RTS release that doesn't have anything to do necessarily with the MMO.
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Breja: How would that alienate anybody? It's not like playing the new RTS would be necessary to keep playing WoW. I really don't see the problem.

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HijacK: Stories of games like Warcraft don't work like that.
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Breja: Like what? Like you can make a new game in the same universe? I'm pretty sure tha'ts exactly how they work.
First off, you don't see a problem because you are not one of those WoW subscribers. Second off, prequel? Seriously? In an Universe that has had tons of books and other media detailing the world history you want a prequel? About what? About how the species of Night Elf evolved on Azeroth?

No, stories of vast universes don't work like that, and I'm sure the writing team of Blizz would agree with me.
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HijacK: First off, you don't see a problem because you are not one of those WoW subscribers. Second off, prequel? Seriously? In an Universe that has had tons of books and other media detailing the world history you want a prequel? About what? About how the species of Night Elf evolved on Azeroth?

No, stories of vast universes don't work like that, and I'm sure the writing team of Blizz would agree with me.
One possible course of action would be for WC4 to pick up where The Frozen Throne left off. WoW's pretty much a spin-off, an alternative story shaped with the MMO mechanics & playstyles in mind. No wonder it's become utterly incomprehensible and convoluted beyond belief.
I can't imagine anyone being upset were that to occur - if anything, old WarCraft fans in particular would breathe a sigh of relief should WC4's creators decide to treat WoW as a separate product with it own lore and flavour.
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Breja: Oh nonsense. I know that Warcraft lore is basically superhero comics level convoluted now, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle. It could be a prequel. Even one set hundreds of years before the first game. Or it could be a sequel and complicate stuff further. Honestly, so what? Does it really matter if the thing to muddy things now is another WoW expansion, a book, a comic or an RTS?
As HijacK mentioned, here is your prequel story. War of the Ancients, the Sundering, and the first appearance of the Burning Legion on Azeroth, set 10.000 years before the first game, with a single orc and a single human only being present due to time travel - everyone else being highborne (what would become the various elves), dragons, and invading demons.
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HijacK: First off, you don't see a problem because you are not one of those WoW subscribers. Second off, prequel? Seriously? In an Universe that has had tons of books and other media detailing the world history you want a prequel? About what? About how the species of Night Elf evolved on Azeroth?

No, stories of vast universes don't work like that, and I'm sure the writing team of Blizz would agree with me.
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Phaidox: One possible course of action would be for WC4 to pick up where The Frozen Throne left off. WoW's pretty much a spin-off, an alternative story shaped with the MMO mechanics & playstyles in mind. No wonder it's become utterly incomprehensible and convoluted beyond belief.
I can't imagine anyone being upset were that to occur - if anything, old WarCraft fans in particular would breathe a sigh of relief should WC4's creators decide to treat WoW as a separate product with it own lore and flavour.
Read my original post again. This would mean alienating all those subscribers who care about the lore and literally calling crap and making a fool of everyone who purchased the books, visual novels and all other post Frozen Throne media that is related to lore and story.
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HijacK: Read my original post again. This would mean alienating all those subscribers who care about the lore and literally calling crap and making a fool of everyone who purchased the books, visual novels and all other post Frozen Throne media that is related to lore and story.
They would still have an opportunity to play WoW, now wouldn't they?
Post edited September 08, 2014 by Phaidox
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HijacK: Read my original post again. This would mean alienating all those subscribers who care about the lore and literally calling crap and making a fool of everyone who purchased the books, visual novels and all other post Frozen Throne media that is related to lore and story.
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Phaidox: They would still have an opportunity to play WoW, now wouldn't they?
Here's where your misunderstanding of WoW comes in. A huge part of the player base cares about the lore. A huge part of the people who played WoW before but quit care about the lore. Do you really believe it is a wise thing to call a billion dollar investment a spinoff and call everyone who bought into it a fool? WoW was not designed to be a spinoff. WoW was designed to be canon from the beginning. ANd this is not only about WoW. This is about everything related to it. From books, to visual novels, movies, comics, board games etc.
They just retconed the entire Star Wars Extended Universe, all of it, out of existence, and yet the fans somehow live with it and still want to see the new movies, read the new stuff. I really don't think some messing around with Warcraft lore to invent a new war in the year something something is a bigger deal.

I don't believe for one second there is no time period left in the history of this universe, past, present or future, to set a new game in. If the WoW expansions can keep happening, why not Warcraft 4? What exactly would be the problem with furthering the story there, or in some adventure game? Why could we go from RTS to MMO, but it has to remain only MMO forever? That's nonsense.
Post edited September 08, 2014 by Breja
Lore aside (as if Blizzard care about that), have you guys considered that a new Warcraft will likely be heavily tied to Bnet, and perhaps even have an always-online requirement? How do you feel about that?