Where am I saying that it's the pinnacle of what the C64 was capable of? In fact, I only said I thought it appeared on the C64 in one form or another. So I don't see why you're picking over the details as much as you are.

The game I'm thinking of - if indeed not the same one - could well have had more colours on screen at once. But the isometric square(ish) rooms, the trees and the UI all seem very, very familiar to me. I can almost picture the box art. But the name isn't coming to me.

As for what the C64 was capable of; if you're really that much of a fan then you should know that a lot of early to mid 80s C64 games were shitty ports from inferior systems. A lot of games looked like Speccy games because of this. I'm not even sure where the confusion is coming from, personally. I only said that very, very similar games appeared on the C64. Now I'm getting all this irrelevant technical crap.

Well, if You want to go that way, i'll have to point again, that Pentagram never appeared on the C64, in any form. ;)

Go go Lemon64! ;)

Actually i do. But i'm used to seeing ports for more capable systems, that actually USE the machines extra power. The Atari ST version of Prince Of Persia comes to mind.

The only thing i disagree with, is Petagram looking C64ish. No need to hack Your sword.;) "Pentagram looks incredibly similar to a C64 game though." Just this.
Christ...

I don't give a toss, frankly. I never said it did. So you're not actually 'disagreeing' with anything at all.

I'm saying that it looks very much like a game I played on the C64. End of. Really, why is that so hard to grasp?

Well, You kinda did, but i don't want to go dissecting every sentence, you'll twist it around anyway.;>

It's just about being a bit more precise, like, saying Mario looks very DOS'ish [perhaps even simillar to something else], because there was a mediocre port at some point.

Let's quit this discussion.

I know you wanna quit the discussion (and that's probably a good idea), but a very small few filmation-style games DID appear on the C64. Head over Heels, for instance, was so popular that it made a C64 appearance.

However, the graphical style of the C64 and the ZX Spectrum were radically different. The graphics of C64 games, when pushed to the limit, could very easily rival, if not exceed, those of the NES (especially with the continued C64 efforts by fans. Though, NES had Elite, so it's best not to push this argument at all).

The ZX Spectrum, however, had those iconic one-color sprites we all adore, and was prone to slowdown in the case of too many sprites. It's simply impossible to have a game that looks like your average C64 game. The C64 was simply more powerful. Doesn't mean it was any better. There are plenty of people who will argue over which they liked more, and the C64 didn't have Ultimate (who later became Rare, and even included the Spectrum classic 'Jetpac' in Donkey Kong 64) developing games on it. :)

Both systems had a good amount of isometric games, however. The ZX Spectrum had much more, thanks to Ultimate and their filmation engine, starting with Knight Lore. It quickly took off as THE genre for the Spectrum. The isometric viewpoint was, aside from first-person dungeon games, the closest thing to 3D at the time, so it was a fairly popular thing to do.

Because of the region that Rare and the Spectrum (as well as C64, which was even more popular in the UK) were in, isometric-style games became far more popular in Europe than they ever were in America or Japan. Most isometric games, even in the NES\GB (such as Solstice, Altered Space, Monster Max, Adventures of Pinocchio, Snake Rattle N' Roll, and Looney Tunes Twouble) and SNES\Genesis era (Equinox, Sonic 3D Blast), have been primarily developed by European developers, especially the UK.

It's why you'll find a lot more people in the US who play an isometric platformer complain about the controls than across the pond. XD


No, really. If you're trying to get my goat, it's not gonna work. I already know what happens when I fight back here. Say whatever the hell you want to say.


Hoagie: I didn't think horses could talk.
Horse: Maybe they just never had anything to say to you. Ever think of that?
Hoagie: You mean horses have been snubbing me my whole life?
Horse: If you want to put it that way.

Love that game. :D

Rep going up I see. haha! :)

See that's the funny thing. If you notice my posts, I try to be nice and genial to everyone, but at the same time some of my favorite posters on every forum are the ones who are the most egotistical and combative. It probably all goes back to my wrestling days and that I was always happiest when I was playing a heel, it always messed with people's heads when they'd meet me after the show and I would be nice and polite to everyone after calling them everything I could think of in the ring.

What was the point of that, I wonder? Do you enjoy doing this?

I don't get you. One minute you seem like a fairly likeable fellow and the other you're either utterly incomprehensible or downright annoying. Could you at least try not to be so vicious?

And RowdyRodimus, I can't say I agree with you. I like arguing facts, and can enjoy a heated debate if it keeps to the point in question, but I honestly don't like throwing around uncalled-for ad hominems. That's neither enjoyable nor productive.

What I mean is I see it as an act, a character he's playing online. I'd bet dollars to donuts that in real life, he's probably as kind and as thoughtful as anyone. It's just that he's acting the part of an ass online just to play the foil. Someone has to be the bad guy or there would be no good guys. it's sort of like the old saying that Satan is the best thing that ever happened for God.

I admit I could be completely wrong about it, but in my experiences that's usually the way it works out. But I can see what you're saying, so I'm not totally dismissing you either.

Of course, it may be an act. I don't think it is, but trolls will be trolls. But even if it is, this is not a show I particularly enjoy, that's all. Before the carny arrived, the village was more peaceful.

I'm no act. I'm sincere. Am I really that much of a jerk? I guess I'd have to be if you'd say that. I've never been very good with people, I literally can't tell whether anything I say will upset people. :/

I'd like to say I'm something close to kind and thoughtful in real life, but I lost my sense of self-worth about two years after high school, so I mostly care about others or nothing at all. I'm laid back and don't really pay much attention to time. I buy things for friends and random people a lot more than I do for myself, and send most of my money to my mom. I've never gotten along with people much, so I usually work night shifts and manage eBay stores. I rarely talk in real life, try my best to avoid people, and just nod in agreement with anything people other than close friends have to say, for the most part.

Not exactly kind and thoughtful, but as close as I'll ever get to that. Again, I tend to speak my mind when I express myself, so I take the 'if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all' expression to heart. I heard a lot of people talk about me behind my back, they bullied me constantly (until freshman year in high school, where I accidentally injured somebody when they and their friends tried to throw me down the bleachers during an assembly and wound up in a good deal of trouble), in elementary school they'd constantly offer me money or otherwise pester me as some game to get me to talk (before I was about nine or so, I'd never talked at all to anybody), so I made very few friends.

I don't care much for people, they don't care much for me. There's not a damn thing I can do about it except be somebody else. I like to try and talk to people once in a while, but it's probably not meant to be, really.

You think you got problems? I frequently use my girlfriends deodorant, have an angora fetish and have listened to The Worst Music Video Ever on YouTube so many times i hum it all day long.

Seriously, you wanna be part of this nicey, (somewhat) oldey and nerdy community of gamers just chill, comment on whatever takes your fancy and chat shit like everyone else. You don't need to keep putting your history out there or posting descriptions of your life, no-one is gonna judge you...well except that one user Judgey McJudgalot, but he's a cock and we all ignore him.

So chill like the rest of us cucumbers and engage in lengthy discussions about important stuff...you know like Warhammer 40k and female fleshy bits.

I apologize if it came out that I thought you were evil or a total ass, that wasn't my intent at all. I guess I made the mistake of saying "he" instead of being more general which is what I meant about people that are considered trolls. I haven't seen anything you've written to put you into the category of troll anyway, I was pretty much just replying to what the other poster had to say about what you have said.

I don't know why people get so upset over what is said on the internet anyway. If someone doesn't think in lockstep with another person, they are singled out as being not only wrong, but a bad person. It's crazy.

Once again, allow me to apologize for what I said since it doesn't matter that it came out wrong, they are the words I used and it is what is said, not the intent we see and hear. I'm sorry about the way I said it and I hope you will forgive me.

I personally wouldn't call those my problems. Just an attempt at an explanation as to why I'm such an anti-social jerk. Not that it justifies it or anything. He had the good faith to believe I may have only been ACTING like a jerk, and I had the honesty to say I really AM a jerk. :/


I have... interesting... tastes, a very long list of them, things I'd rather not say. I'd be hard-pressed to call an angora fetish weird. It's fairly common, Ed Wood is a very well-known example.

Several of my favorites games weren't exactly critically acclaimed, and I think the I.M. Meen intro is one of the greatest things ever.

I'd refrain from calling those problems, though. I think that's what makes people anywhere close to interesting. It's the physical problems you have to worry about. I've got a good amount of those, but so does everyone.


All I wanna do is chill. I wanted to say what I thought, that GOG didn't owe an apology and that anybody who'd boycott them over their pr stunt, think they are owed anything in return, and especially ones who'd rather buy from somebody who DOES use drm, may as well leave. It wasn't a popular opinion, but I still stand by it. Again, I'm done arguing about that or any other matters, and I've no intention of responding to anything concerning that. It doesn't do any good to tell people what you think when they disagree. Opinions don't do a hell of a lot of good to begin with.

I don't like talking about my life. It's uninteresting, like everybody else's. I don't want to argue about GOG. They sell games, you buy them, they have sales. Great. I can't think of anything game related to talk about, so... I suppose I have nothing to say anymore! :D



Heh. I probably deserved to hear it anyways.

I didn't like LordK at first, but I think he's starting to turn around. Hopefully my +1's have negated or surpassed the -1's ;)

As far as trolling goes etc... I agree with Rowdy. Abrasive comments and personalities in a forum serve as a good form of entertainment, mostly for the lulz. Obviously too much of it is a bad thing, but a little bit here and there is priceless.