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Posted June 17, 2012
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orcishgamer: Actually we do, to be safe assume 5 years, the best of the best has a maximum life of 30 years last time I checked, that's tested by artificial aging techniques though, it might not be impossible to extend that with extreme care.
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KyleKatarn: Do you have recommendations for end user discs that I burn myself? I've thought about buying a magnetic tape drive before for personal archive purposes. I would let immediate family use it first and maybe let extended family and friends use it as well. I figured at the time it was probably too expensive though and wasn't too thrilled about corruption problems and thought it would be best to get blank optical disks that won't rot right away instead. Being able to make cheaper multiple copies to try to insure survival appealed more to me.

On topic (well, on topic to where the conversation is right now anyway): If publishers want to sell media as products and then treat the sales like non-transferable licenses AND binding contracts after the purchases are made by using shitty DRM in order to stop second-hand sales, fuck them . I don't mind Netflix streaming subscriptions because they're honest about what they're selling. GOG isn't perfect either, but they're cheap (usually) and don't use DRM. If someone disagrees and replies to me, I will glower at my screen while muttering under my breath and then politely ignore you...unless you offer chocolate pie.
I love chocolate pie!

Tape lasts longer than disk for sure but the old DAT tapes don't actually hold that much data. I haven't researched the new tapes, presumably they last longer, but your best bet, imo, is to burn a couple of copies of everything and store it in safe, dry places, integrity check everything and reburn it every 3-5 years. It's a pain in the ass, sure, but I think we're get something better later on (like permanently flashable, one time use media).

The only thing I know that's guaranteed for over 100 years is Microfilm (not even sure Microfiche was rated that long) and it's not terribly good at holding pure digital data.

The best I can say is back up one copy for your safe deposit box and another for your data vault at home (gun safes are okay for this as they are also made to keep moisture out and even out temp differences).
Posted June 17, 2012
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KyleKatarn: Do you have recommendations for end user discs that I burn myself? I've thought about buying a magnetic tape drive before for personal archive purposes. I would let immediate family use it first and maybe let extended family and friends use it as well. I figured at the time it was probably too expensive though and wasn't too thrilled about corruption problems and thought it would be best to get blank optical disks that won't rot right away instead. Being able to make cheaper multiple copies to try to insure survival appealed more to me.

On topic (well, on topic to where the conversation is right now anyway): If publishers want to sell media as products and then treat the sales like non-transferable licenses AND binding contracts after the purchases are made by using shitty DRM in order to stop second-hand sales, fuck them . I don't mind Netflix streaming subscriptions because they're honest about what they're selling. GOG isn't perfect either, but they're cheap (usually) and don't use DRM. If someone disagrees and replies to me, I will glower at my screen while muttering under my breath and then politely ignore you...unless you offer chocolate pie.
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orcishgamer: Tape lasts longer than disk for sure but the old DAT tapes don't actually hold that much data. I haven't researched the new tapes, presumably they last longer, but your best bet, imo, is to burn a couple of copies of everything and store it in safe, dry places, integrity check everything and reburn it every 3-5 years. It's a pain in the ass, sure, but I think we're get something better later on (like permanently flashable, one time use media).

The only thing I know that's guaranteed for over 100 years is Microfilm (not even sure Microfiche was rated that long) and it's not terribly good at holding pure digital data.

The best I can say is back up one copy for your safe deposit box and another for your data vault at home (gun safes are okay for this as they are also made to keep moisture out and even out temp differences).
Thanks for the advice. One more question, do you know off the top of your head (don't do hours of research for me, I'm just seeing what free advice I can get from more savvy people than me) what manufacturer has the best quality discs?

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orcishgamer: I love chocolate pie!
Got a slice of it from Dad's Father's Day meal today! Mom bakes the best pie!
Posted June 17, 2012
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hedwards: Realistically they need to decide whether they're selling or licensing. If they're selling then I should be able to resell it. If they're just licensing it then I should be able to download copies if the media ever breaks.
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mpartel: Yes, a public discussion about this is long overdue. Maybe this case will help with that.
What I think will happen is that the publishers will take this to its natural, logical conclusion and push games as services delivered via subscription services. We've already seen services going in this direction with Call of Duty Elite and now Battlefield Premium. It won't be long before you no longer buy Modern Warfare, but buy a one-year subscription to it (where you get unlimited access to it plus DLC) for $59.95.
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KyleKatarn: Thanks for the advice. One more question, do you know off the top of your head (don't do hours of research for me, I'm just seeing what free advice I can get from more savvy people than me) what manufacturer has the best quality discs?
Taiyo Yuden is widely regarded to be the best brand for blank optical media; many of the popular brand names in optical media like Verbatim are essentially rebranded TY products.
Post edited June 17, 2012 by rampancy
Posted June 17, 2012
If I were in the business of selling used games, it might matter to me, but as it is, I expect it to have no effect upon me.

If there comes a time where it does, I will do as I always do when it comes to intrusions into my personal life, liberties, and freedoms I enjoyed that they made a federal case: ignore them.

This is not what I like, but tired of the system legislating my own good, and making it a crime if I deem otherwise. I fought for freedom and the right to self determination, and not going to have anyone tell me what I can do with my property.

How about making everything a crime and try funding yourselves?
Posted June 17, 2012
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KyleKatarn: Thanks for the advice. One more question, do you know off the top of your head (don't do hours of research for me, I'm just seeing what free advice I can get from more savvy people than me) what manufacturer has the best quality discs?
Ah and that's the trick! You see, the brand doesn't matter, it's what factory produced them that matters. The best information I've ever found on this was on a website that focused on "freedom of information" if you will. If you google them there's a "world" of info to help you make a "copy" of your "game" data and other info;)
Posted June 17, 2012
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KyleKatarn: Thanks for the advice. One more question, do you know off the top of your head (don't do hours of research for me, I'm just seeing what free advice I can get from more savvy people than me) what manufacturer has the best quality discs?
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orcishgamer: Ah and that's the trick! You see, the brand doesn't matter, it's what factory produced them that matters. The best information I've ever found on this was on a website that focused on "freedom of information" if you will. If you google them there's a "world" of info to help you make a "copy" of your "game" data and other info;)
I catch your drift. I'm always told that visiting such a website would result in the destruction of the whole world. Sounds more like a library to me :)
Posted June 17, 2012
No mention of the case in question.

No mention of the parties involved.

No substantiation whatsoever.

Shock media much?
Posted June 18, 2012
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KyleKatarn: Thanks for the advice. One more question, do you know off the top of your head (don't do hours of research for me, I'm just seeing what free advice I can get from more savvy people than me) what manufacturer has the best quality discs?
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orcishgamer: Ah and that's the trick! You see, the brand doesn't matter, it's what factory produced them that matters. The best information I've ever found on this was on a website that focused on "freedom of information" if you will. If you google them there's a "world" of info to help you make a "copy" of your "game" data and other info;)
If you really care about that, what you need is a method of verifying and correcting the data errors. I do like Write Once Read Many media for many things, but you need to throw in something like DVDisaster to add verification and correction capabilities to it. And if you're really paranoid, burn those to disc as well or use something like QuickPAR to allow you to verify and reconstruct those as well.

Personally, I just rip the discs to disk and then back them up online and locally, which is going to be good enough. If it's not good enough, I'll probably be too busy eating my neighbors to worry about it.
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