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Miaghstir: Kidding aside, I do try (though seldom succeed) to comment so comprehensively that someone else (with knowledge of the language, of course) could pick up where I left off and continue building on top of it. That someone is often me a few months down the line when I've forgotten what most of the stuff do. This includes stuff that are broken/temporary and needs fixing, not only completed blocks.
This. I don't know how many times I've had to fix a code problem only to scratch my head and say "What the fuck is this supposed to do? What the hell was the guy thinking?" Of course, on several occasions, "the guy" turns out to be me, only 6 months ago. So I am very much in favor of making lots of comments in the code, I'm just not very good at actually doing it.
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StingingVelvet: I want to comment though that I find it insanely interesting and possibly gratifying that Sony took away advertised functionality via firmware and that came back to bite them in the ass via principled hackers.

Well done.
Yeah, despite me not owning a PS3 and despite the fact that if I did, I probably wouldn't have used the other OS option, I was pretty annoyed when they removed it. Just on principle. So I'm glad this has happened.
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eyeball226: Yeah, despite me not owning a PS3 and despite the fact that if I did, I probably wouldn't have used the other OS option, I was pretty annoyed when they removed it. Just on principle. So I'm glad this has happened.
Im not since that will mean tons of security-updates and hacked online gaming. New Blurays might not work without new Firmware updates, and in the worst case new games will have be always-online crap like the famous UBI titles for PC.

I have no sympathy for Sony crypto messup, this aint a little hobbiest project but something that shoudlve been audited thoroughly both as concept and implementation.
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eyeball226: Yeah, despite me not owning a PS3 and despite the fact that if I did, I probably wouldn't have used the other OS option, I was pretty annoyed when they removed it. Just on principle. So I'm glad this has happened.
I'm not so glad that it has finally been hacked, as it will lead to more people actively cheating in multiplayer games as is purported to be the case with hacked 360 systems. It was nice to have a relatively cheat-free environment while it lasted, and boy did it take them a LONG time to hack the system.
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eyeball226: Yeah, despite me not owning a PS3 and despite the fact that if I did, I probably wouldn't have used the other OS option, I was pretty annoyed when they removed it. Just on principle. So I'm glad this has happened.
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Npl: Im not since that will mean tons of security-updates and hacked online gaming. New Blurays might not work without new Firmware updates, and in the worst case new games will have be always-online crap like the famous UBI titles for PC.

I have no sympathy for Sony crypto messup, this aint a little hobbiest project but something that shoudlve been audited thoroughly both as concept and implementation.
It will never be able to revoke your old keys though, since you can rewrite the old key list back in. Putting new keys on there leads to their immediate compromise so I'm thinking you'll probably be okay.

I agree with you, I can't even see how such a screw up couldn't have been caught in an audit. My guess is that it was so super secret with so few eyes allowed to see it, that those eyes got distracted and just didn't do proper due diligence.
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eyeball226: Yeah, despite me not owning a PS3 and despite the fact that if I did, I probably wouldn't have used the other OS option, I was pretty annoyed when they removed it. Just on principle. So I'm glad this has happened.
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EndlessKnight: I'm not so glad that it has finally been hacked, as it will lead to more people actively cheating in multiplayer games as is purported to be the case with hacked 360 systems. It was nice to have a relatively cheat-free environment while it lasted, and boy did it take them a LONG time to hack the system.
You're mad at the wrong people. We've had aimbots and BS like this semi-solved for years on PC with the use of private servers. Be mad at the game developers and publishers keeping you from admining your own server or finding someone who does a good job admining theirs.
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stonebro: Numbers from production code where I work:

1652 TODOs
735 FIXMEs
319 DELETEs
224 REFACTORs

Building software is like building a toilet in your kitchen because it already has a water supply and drainage. Sounds practical, turns out to be a huge mess.
My projects have similar counts, though I don't use a REFACTOR tag, it usually is part of the FIXME comment. It's a mess at times and I am amazed that it works; even after trying desperately to follow best practices you can end up with code like this.
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StingingVelvet: Too much math in this thread, dammit.

I want to comment though that I find it insanely interesting and possibly gratifying that Sony took away advertised functionality via firmware and that came back to bite them in the ass via principled hackers.

Well done.
Their contention is that the PS3 still would not be hacked had Sony not taken it away. I actually think they've made a good case and think that's probably true.

Oddly, I will probably buy a PS3 to play around with now, I just need to think up some geeky use for the thing. I think loading open source Kinect drivers and writing a simple Kinect app on PS3 would be geeky enough:)
Post edited January 08, 2011 by orcishgamer
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orcishgamer: You're mad at the wrong people. We've had aimbots and BS like this semi-solved for years on PC with the use of private servers. Be mad at the game developers and publishers keeping you from admining your own server or finding someone who does a good job admining theirs.
I can't say that I'm mad in the least, but it's certainly not a black and white issue. If they hadn't insisted on hacking the thing, we wouldn't have the threat of aimbots in the first place. Private servers would definitely be a nice addition, however.

In any case, Sony did a better job than most companies when it comes to delaying the hacking of their system, despite any mistakes they may have made in their coding.
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orcishgamer: You're mad at the wrong people. We've had aimbots and BS like this semi-solved for years on PC with the use of private servers. Be mad at the game developers and publishers keeping you from admining your own server or finding someone who does a good job admining theirs.
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EndlessKnight: I can't say that I'm mad in the least, but it's certainly not a black and white issue. If they hadn't insisted on hacking the thing, we wouldn't have the threat of aimbots in the first place. Private servers would definitely be a nice addition, however.

In any case, Sony did a better job than most companies when it comes to delaying the hacking of their system, despite any mistakes they may have made in their coding.
Well the contention is it would have been hacked years ago rather than just now if they hadn't included Other OS and the like to begin with. It was hacked rather quickly as soon as groups such as fail0verflow got on the case.

So if you mean Sony did a good job by their actions (including and supporting tinkerers with Other OS, etc.) then I agree, but if you mean they did a good job technically you should watch the whole presentation on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcbaeKA2moE&feature=player_embedded

They did a horrible job technically of protecting their console. They made it look like an impenetrable fortress but all the walls were cardboard.
Yes, I already know all about this, as I've been following it for years. Thanks.