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Posted September 08, 2011
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Druidshinobi: Thanks for more replies people, i should have mentioned my graphics card is the GTX 460 1GB version which is the best type i guess, some have said i could possibly upgrade the graphics card? I bought my computer at a store that makes custom computers etc, do you think i could go there and get them to buy my gtx 460 back for second hand price and get money off a new GTX 560 instead?

Also to the guy i'm quoting, you say i can get 8gb under 30 euros? Where though the one i linked in my opening post was the cheapest 8gb on amazon i could find.
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cjrgreen: You could upgrade the graphics card, but there is little point in doing so. The GTX 460 is already close to the best cards you can get from nVidia. Anything short of a GTX 480 or 580 would be only a fractional (10% or so) improvement. Save your money for the next generation of GPUs, or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.
IMHO is not true ....just check these benchmarks .There's quite a performance difference between a gtx 560 ti /570 and a 460

[url=]http://gamegpu.ru/plugins/content/jumultithumb/img.php?src=Li4vLi4vLi4vaW1hZ2VzL3N0b3JpZXMvVGVzdF9HUFUvQWN0aW9uL0NyeXNpc18yX19fRGlyZWN0WF8xMS90ZXN0L0NyeXNpczJfMTE5LnBuZyZhbXA7dz05MzAmYW1wO2g9MCZhbXA7cT0yMDAmYW1wO3pjPTAmYW1wO2ZsdHJbXT13bWl8d2F0ZXJtYXJrL3dzLnBuZ3xCUnwzMA==[/url]

[url=]http://www.guru3d.com/article/crysis-2-dx11-vga-and-cpu-performance-benchmarks/9[/url]

[url=]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf110-performance,2806-8.html[/url]

[url=]http://www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/skvideo/2699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-spazio-a-gf114_6.html[/url]
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cjrgreen: Save your money for the next generation of GPUs, or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.
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FiatLux: I'll second that opinion.....
Yeah ...if you can get a second hand gtx460 for cheap go for it.
Keep in mind that gtx 560Ti can be bought for little more than 160 euros while 570 starts from 235
Post edited September 08, 2011 by picchioabbio
Posted September 08, 2011
GeForce GTX 460 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 Ti - Performance

GeForce GTX 570 - Performance

GeForce GTX 580 - Performance

GeForce GTX 590 - Performance
Posted September 08, 2011
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FiatLux: GeForce GTX 460 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 Ti - Performance

GeForce GTX 570 - Performance

GeForce GTX 580 - Performance

GeForce GTX 590 - Performance
As you can see by yourself faster graphic cards allow more details and better framerate on most demanding games

560Ti offer the best price/performance ratio out of these gpus
Post edited September 08, 2011 by picchioabbio
Posted September 08, 2011
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FiatLux: GeForce GTX 460 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 - Performance

GeForce GTX 560 Ti - Performance

GeForce GTX 570 - Performance

GeForce GTX 580 - Performance

GeForce GTX 590 - Performance
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picchioabbio: As you can see by yourself faster graphic cards allow more details and better framerate on most demanding games

560Ti offer the best price/performance ratio out of these gpus
Sorry , I see nothing , the comparence between these cards does not interest me much as such, I placed the links for others to use.
As you can see from my previous post I carefully avoided participating in comparing the cards, I just gave what was my opinion on the subject in general.
(which is more like : yes you can buy new cards but "I'll second the opinion that " : "Save your money for the next generation of GPUs, or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.")
Post edited September 08, 2011 by FiatLux
Posted September 08, 2011
Sure, a 560 is more powerful than a 460, especially if you max out tha AA & AF.

The question is : is the upgrade actually worth it, now ?

Imho, a gtx 460 is still powerfull enough to play most games at 4xAA at a 1680x... resolution, with a high level of detail. Not Metro 2033, but that's not such a concern, isn't it?

Even if benchmarks show an advantage of 10 to 15 % for the 560 over the 460, that doesn't mean it's actually translates into an improvement of the gaming experience. Getting 66 fps instead of 60 doesn't.

So unless you actually have the budget ( and the power supply) to go fort a 580, keep your current card until Geforces 6xx actually come on the market. Some games might actually justify te change by then. And jumping over one generation will probably yield you 25-33% more performance for the same budget, instead of 10-15%
Posted September 08, 2011
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FiatLux: or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.")
I'd check three points before advising that kind of solution

- 1) is the MB SLI compatible. I don't know that specific model, but some other MB of the same series are Crossfire only.... Even if it is, is the second port working in PCI-E x8 ?
- 2) is the power supply strong enough
- 3) will the heat dissipation be efficient enough ?
Posted September 08, 2011
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picchioabbio: As you can see by yourself faster graphic cards allow more details and better framerate on most demanding games

560Ti offer the best price/performance ratio out of these gpus
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FiatLux: Sorry , i see nothing , the comparence between these cards does not interest me much as such, I placed the links for others to use.
As you can see from my previous post I carefully avoided participating in comparing the cards, I just gave what was my opinion on the subject in general.
(which is more like : yes you can buy new cards but "I'll second the opinion that " : "Save your money for the next generation of GPUs, or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.")
I'm sorry ...I did not mean to be rude with you.
Adding a second 460 in SLI is a good idea but not all games are well optimized for SLI/crossfire,besides it requires a better power supply than a single 460
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FiatLux: or get a matching 460 and put them in SLI.")
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Phc7006: I'd check three points before advising that kind of solution

- 1) is the MB SLI compatible. I don't know that specific model, but some other MB of the same series are Crossfire only.... Even if it is, is the second port working in PCI-E x8 ?
- 2) is the power supply strong enough
- 3) will the heat dissipation be efficient enough ?
1)it seems that his mobo is crossfire compatible.No SLI here
Performance loss for running gpus at 8x is negligible (5% at worst)
2)good question .
2)ditto
Post edited September 08, 2011 by picchioabbio
Posted September 08, 2011
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Phc7006: I'd check three points before advising that kind of solution

- 1) is the MB SLI compatible. I don't know that specific model, but some other MB of the same series are Crossfire only.... Even if it is, is the second port working in PCI-E x8 ?
- 2) is the power supply strong enough
- 3) will the heat dissipation be efficient enough ?
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picchioabbio: I'm sorry ...I did not mean to be rude with you.
Adding a second 460 in SLI is a good idea but not all games are well optimized for SLI/crossfire,besides it requires a better power supply than a single 460
You guys are probably right about the PSU stuff as one "modern" graphics card can require somewhat of a PSU just to run by itself.

I've never run SLI or Crossfire as it simply doesn't interest me and I will trust that you guys knows more about that than I do. (as well as I will trust "cjrgreen" on that too)

My general attitude however is that once you have coughed up for a reasonable "higend graphics card" then there should be a very good reason before buying an upgrade that will deliver, what in my eyes is, only a little better performance.
As I knew which turn the discussion would take I convenient tried to avoid discussing all the performance as such as I have analysed enough graphics card numbers and seen enough tests to know how far and wide opinions may differ , sorry guys.....

And no offence taken....
Post edited September 08, 2011 by FiatLux
Posted September 08, 2011
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Phc7006: I'd check three points before advising that kind of solution

- 1) is the MB SLI compatible. I don't know that specific model, but some other MB of the same series are Crossfire only.... Even if it is, is the second port working in PCI-E x8 ?
- 2) is the power supply strong enough
- 3) will the heat dissipation be efficient enough ?
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FiatLux:
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picchioabbio: I'm sorry ...I did not mean to be rude with you.
Adding a second 460 in SLI is a good idea but not all games are well optimized for SLI/crossfire,besides it requires a better power supply than a single 460
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FiatLux: You guys are probably right about the PSU stuff as one "modern" graphics card can require somewhat of a PSU just to run by itself.

I've never run SLI or Crossfire as it simply doesn't interest me and I will trust that you gus knows more about that than I do. (as well as I will trust "cjrgreen" on that too)

My general attitude however is that once you have coughed up for a reasonable "higend graphics card" then there should be a very good reason before buying an upgrade that will deliver, what in my eyes is, only a little better performance.
As I knew which turn the discussion would take I convenient tried to avoid discussing all the performance as such as I have analysed enough graphics card numbers and seen enough tests to know how far and wide opinions may differ , sorry guys.....

And no offence taken....
He'd better try his gts460 with his new monitor to see if it's enough good for his needs
Posted September 08, 2011
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picchioabbio: He'd better try his gts460 with his new monitor to see if it's enough good for his needs
Well, Yeah ! , that was just about my initial suggestion also ;-)
Posted September 09, 2011
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picchioabbio: He'd better try his gts460 with his new monitor to see if it's enough good for his needs
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FiatLux: Well, Yeah ! , that was just about my initial suggestion also ;-)
Thanks for the replies again, as someone who really doesn't have a lot of money i can't really afford the upgrade to a 560ti atm but i guess once i have steady income again i can wait till the next series of GTX comes out (600 series?).

As for my initial problem, well it does originally all come down to the monitor and such, the monitor i linked it probably the best i've seen for the price the only thing i'm worried about is i can't find it in local shops like PCWORLD because even though i might pay £10-20 extra it comes with warranty and i can actually go into the shop to get it repaired, i'm unsure on amazon refunds and sending it back to them.

If anyone could recommend a better monitor than that which i can get in a Retail shop in the UK like PCWORLD, Dixons, Currys that would be fantastic but i am really looking for one with 1920x1080 (is it the best resolution pc gaming wise?).
Posted September 09, 2011
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Lexor: General rule - want to play brand-new, graphics-intensive games? 99,99% of PC users would be happy to upgrade.
Want to do anything else? You do not need upgrade at all for the next years.
Fixed your message. I have no problem playing almost all GoG games on over five years old PC systems. :) (Witcher 1-2 may be the exceptions, I guess)

I could easily afford to buy a new high-end PC system now (or PS3 + flatscreen HDTV for that matter), but frankly I just don't see the point at the moment. Maybe in order to play Witcher 2 and Deus Ex: HR, I dunno...

Seeing how many new games seem to have serious problems (like Dead Island), I just don't see the point of being the guinea pig testing the new games. I'll play them later in their polished form, maybe with some additional nice fan-based mods and fixes etc.

Being a retrogamer sure gets cheap, and for some reason is still a lot of fun.
Post edited September 09, 2011 by timppu
Posted September 09, 2011
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Druidshinobi: 1920x1080 (is it the best resolution pc gaming wise?).
What resolution is best also depends on the game , right ! (?)
Those that like High Res. games sometimes complains that they think that 1920X1200 (16:10?) is better than 1920x1080 (16:9?) ,which seems to take over, they say that the little extra screen res. means a lot to them. Personally I don't use either resolutions for gaming , but I don't think that I would care if my monitor is only 1920x1080 , as the one I have is (1920x1080)(46") and I am quite happy about it (flat screen LCD-LED TV that doesn't consume much power it's size taken into consideration) .

P.S.
It also seems as that Samsung generally uses same Warranty policy in the UK as in Denmark, please check it out :
PC monitor : What is the warranty period on my Samsung Monitor?
Page also says : "NOTE: The warranty service for all monitor types is 'pick up & swap'."
Please see at the bottom of the page linked to for further explanation and details !

( However please also notice that if rules are as in Denmark then some warranties could possibly only apply to products that origins from local Samsung and that some warranties could therefore possibly not apply to socalled 'parallel import' products) (please check with local "Samsung support" hotline if in any doubt!)

[url=http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/search/supportSearchModelResult.do?menu=SIA00200&searchInputBox=Warranty monitor&searchWord=Warranty monitor ]Above link is a popup link page obtained from the following page [/url]
(because a parser error may occur you may have to adjust the text in the search field yourself , if needed then please adjust text to say : Warranty monitor , then search and then CHOOSE FAQ TAB )

Anyway , it is worth taking general warranty policies into consideration too , I think !!!
Post edited September 09, 2011 by FiatLux
Posted September 09, 2011
I personnally use this one :

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/3408794/art/lg/w2261vp-pf-22-wide-tft-sc.html

Certainly one of the best screens I ever owned.

The 24" is somewhat more expensive, of course

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/3408790/art/lg/w2486l-pf-24-wide-tft-led.html
Posted September 09, 2011
buy 6990 and send me your 460. I'll pay for postage :P

seriously

wait for Nvidia 600 series and amd 7000 series. 460 will handle everything fine although you won't be able to max out stuff.

if you have spare cash go for extra 4gb of ram. ram is so cheap it really won't get any cheaper in few years anyway yet you should see improvement with everyday tasks. it won't be massive improvement tough.
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