How about you calm down and tell us why you think we have no idea what we are talking about? If you want "BS" to stop then you have to clear away the BS with truth. I'm all ears.

Exactly. Me too. And 99% or all pirates in existence, also. In and by itself, DRM absence not only beats the only valid reason or logical need to pirate ANYTHING, but also lures you in to buy whatever it is, that allows you total control over it, its rights, and your ownership of.

That is why GoG is rising. That is why they came to fear GoG. That is why they force gog to remove entire series of games from its catalogs, and rush off to that idiotic steam to sell them there exclusively (fallout, guilty gear, etc). They don't want consumers to have rights, or powers, or saying (over their acquired property and its terms of use), especially the type of saying that shifts balance and distribution policies. They like the system, the safe bets, they like the norm. By buying products/services here, not only we reward the guys who give us more rights of usage/ownership over our stuff, but we also help shake their enemies and their stupid, well established system.

No I don't like the idea. Because once you go down that path, you can only go deeper down, never back.

Low prices AND digital distribution can bring ANY game to ANYONE.

Have you noticed that some games change their price to FREE TO PLAY on steam?
The most brilliant thing I have ever seen!!! Developers get their money, and they have got enough, they make the game free.
Who wouldn't support such kind of developers?

Oh right, they're definitely not doing it to get free stuff, 99% or all pirates in existence pirate because of DRM :-P

Nice excuse, by the way.

I have to say No to this idea or to any other that resembles it.
No DRM, even if it is Social DRM.

You seriously want to teach me about the country i live in? Can i also teach you about how it is like to live in Romania despite the fact that i've never been there? Please, give me a break. And you're talking about stuff that you clearly have no clue about.

I've said it already and i will say it again: many people who live in favela are mid class, not poor. In the biggest cities (like São Paulo and Rio) housing is so expensive that there are indeed people who prefer living in cheaper places (like favelas) instead of spending their whole salary paying rents.

And here's some proof:

http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2013/11/classe-media-na-favela-sobe-de-33-para-65-em-10-anos-diz-pesquisa.html

That article is in portuguese, but if you want to read it, Google's translation is your friend.

Basically what the article says is that 65% of the favela residents are middle class according to research. Only 32% of the favela residents are actually poor (lower class). 10 years ago, only 33% were middle class.

The research also brings up some quite interesting numbers. For example, 85% of the people who live in favelas have a cellphone, 50% have internet and 41% have 3G connections, 46% have a plasma or LCD TV and 47% have a PC.
Not really. They purchase these things because they can. Look at that article i posted.

Isn't one of the reasons, why most of us come here, to learn new things about all kinds of stuff including countries of the world? Thank you for actually enlightening us with proof instead of just telling us, we are wrong, full of shit etc and then signing off.

65% of the favela residents are middle class. Go tell them that they are out of their mind.

Sure, there are really poor favelas with things that barely look like houses like the one from the image you posted, but that's not what happens in every favela. Most of them actually have constructions that look like proper houses and not a refugee camp.
Exactly. And that image actually shows what the average favela looks like.

Hahaha, funny enough. Well, I´m not here to enlight you. You should be verifying what you say around based on facts, not claim aimlessly that what you say is true. Neobr10 looks like a more patient soul that has the appeal to put the things in a way that you can understand.
So, after another de-railed post, let it go to the original theme again.

And the bullshit just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Nice straw man argument, by the way. Did you address any of my points about free games? No, I see you didn't. Let's take a look at a small list, shall we:

Dead Space
Portal
Fallout
Cities In Motion
Plants vs Zombies
Peggle
Space Chem
Teen Agent
Lure of the Temptress
Ultima IV
Treasure Adventure Game
Warsow
Jagged Alliance:Deadly Games
Duke Nukem 3D
Tyrion 2000
Dragonsphere
Broken Sword
Empire Earth Gold
World of Ultima
Ultima Worlds of Adventure
Realms of Arkania 1
Realms of Arkania 2
Realms of Arkania 3
GTR Evolution
Dino D-Day
Really Big Sky
Gun Monkey
Magrunner
Omerta:City of Gangsters

All games that were offered free at some point and many that are still free now. And I'm sure there are tons more that I'm forgetting or don't even know about. Want more? How about F2P games? Need more? How about grabbing a linux distro and browsing the tons of free games across all genres that are available in the repositories. All legitimate sources.

I find it appalling that you even try to play the poor/poverty card to justify pirating. I have real sympathy for people in need. I have none for rationalizing piracy. There's absolutely NO need to pirate games, no matter how poor you are. "Oh, me so poor. Me must pirate games cuz I can't afford them". Bull. Fucking .Shit.

Yes, that's one of them. That favela you posted is close to Copacabana and Ipanema, some of the most famous beaches in Rio. It's not exactly cheap to live there, even though it's a favela.

You have time to post two pointless over sensitive bitchy replies to me but not take the short time needed to enlighten me? It seems like you just want to start shit.

And almost everything I said is FACTS. I was only wrong when I said "Your words make a lot of sense."in a reply to OlivawR's " No middle class in its right mind will live in a favela." Most likely, you didn't take the time to read most of my words because it seems, the second OlivawR started saying something negative about favelas, your brain shut off and you went into reptile mode.

And where are the words etched in stone that says we have to stick to the topic? Nowhere to be seen so shut up about that already. The topic has already been discussed to death already in this thread and in countless other threads. If people want to go off topic, deal with it.

Free to play? or Pay to win?

Those are two very very different things. Of course with Aeria games in some cases if you're doing very well without having paid, they will block or lock your account for 'cheating' by not paying.

Depends on what conditions you can play the games free. Free games from GoG have no conditions but still.. Although certain games were 'free' for a duration, you needed to be aware of it and have internet access to take advantage of it.

Sounds like you haven't been nearly as poor to understand it. Try living on $500 a month or less on your own. Yeah i did it, but wouldn't have succeeded without food stamps and state support. Yeah i never downloaded non-free games through warez or torrents: I also didn't have internet (not until the last couple years). I think the 4 years i was that poor my collection grew by maybe a couple games a year. Thankfully Morrowind kept me busy for a very long time. That and Dark Cloud. (God i had to save up for those...)

Seriously, when you have to consider if you want to buy a game or eat, you eat... Or at least that's what i would choose.

Yeah there are free games, but if you're offered to play say a free game from Facebook and playing an adventure like Sacred 2... which will you do for hours and hours? No matter how many free games there are you will eventually want more. yeah ADOM supplies quite a bit for free (minus graphics and sounds), but even that you eventually start feeling like ASCII adventure games aren't utilizing your hardware well (even 2000's hardware).

Ok!

This doesn't negate the fact there are plenty of free games out there. And as I noted, these are just the tip of the iceberg. The ones I could think of off the top of my head.

As for free to play/play to win, that's not something I care about for the purposes of the discussion. I realize many games are actually pay to win, but not all of them. There's still some choice there. And that's just one option.
Actually, I've been there, done that. I didn't grow up in an affluent family and at first when I was out on my own, I had a long stretch of being poor.

Just looking at the games I listed, there is plenty of variety there. And again, those are the ones I just tossed out off the cuff. And more free games pop up all the time. Limited time for many of them, yes, but if you're seriously starved for games, you'll be looking for them.

Not sure what any of this has to do with my point though, which is there are tons of ways to get lots of free games if you really can't afford to spend even 1 dollar for a bundle (which, if you've got money for internet, I don't quite accept, but that's a separate argument).