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i honestly loved all the puppy games they released so far but i think they should try something new apart from droids and titans
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Spinorial: I hope everyone noticed how they DIDN'T blame their financial state on their customers, or anyone else, for that matter.

Also, I hope everyone realises what they're saying is, in fact, completely true.
It is. And it is not only for games. The entertaining industry is ruining their own business.
Spotify offers unlimited muisc for just 9,99€ per month. Why should I pay for a CD? Ok, the musicans get nearly nothing from Spotify, but still they offer their product there.
Amazon Prime Video is offering unlimited movies and series streaming for just 49€ per year in Germany. This can not work in the long term and is ruining the "old" business models and replace it with new ones with less profit...


PS: We see it here to. Every New Release thread is full with "wishlisted" posts...
Post edited August 19, 2014 by Rincewind81
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Rincewind81: It is. And it is not only for games. The entertaining industry is ruining their own business.
You mean what effectively was premium services and cash-in models are becoming the only models (once people depend on them)?

Maybe it wouldn't have so much problem if the economy didn't take a dip and with oil/gas prices so high? There are hundreds of businesses that were small niche fitting spots that thrived, then when money dried up they did too... Everything is based on that you'll always be making more money than you did the year before, and your retirement is based on having more interest compounding on interest, and yet both of those have reversed...

Then there's mortgages and homes and ownership. For years ridiculously larger models of homes have become the minimum. You could get a 700 square foot house before, but by today's standards they want you to have at least 1,400 square feet. It's because the larger the house the larger the loan and the larger the profits. But people don't have that money, and people pay a lot to get tiny places too, like in New York where the average housing is 300 square feet or less.

Currently there's a movement for shrinking your home to something smaller and more manageable. Super sized homes are only useful if you are super rich, while anyone can build their own home for $10k or less. But that's not profitable. But that's the direction things are going until the economy fixes itself...
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HiPhish: Oh well, another mediocre indie developer bites the dust.
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catpower1980: When you see the making-costs of their games, it's no wonder they're a little bit doomed to fail:
http://www.puppygames.net/blog/?p=1369
420.000$ for Revenge Of The Titans (I liked the game but seriously?)
Remember that 95% of all their income goes toward telling gamers to update their graphic card drivers (what a joke...). Maybe it only cost them 21000$, but that's still too much.
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Dalswyn: Remember that 95% of all their income goes toward telling gamers to update their graphic card drivers (what a joke...). Maybe it only cost them 21000$, but that's still too much.
I guess that's another good reason for indie devs to try and get their games on GOG, so they don't have to bother answering questions like that anymore, because they will be directed towards the GOG support instead. ;)
Post edited August 19, 2014 by Leroux
Gentlemen, I think we're dealing with the Crazy Amy of video games development.
This 'cas' is besieging the comment section of this Rockpapershotgun article. Expect more of the same 'all the world has formed a coalition against me' stuff. For fuck's sake, instead of venting his hate, shouldn't he be writing code for his fecking game?

Seriously, how many devs have ever complained spending too much time on support?
Post edited August 19, 2014 by Dalswyn
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Rincewind81: It is. And it is not only for games. The entertaining industry is ruining their own business.
I believe they have a plan, actually. When they get people used to the idea of streaming they'll stop selling physical copies of movies/tv shows. Then the streaming model will switch from subscription of X amount per month/year to a charge every time you watch the show/movie. In the end the consumer will be held hostage to the delivery mechanism and will end up paying more overall than they do today. Of course, maybe I'm just being paranoid...
Only own one of their games (Revenge of the Titans), which I don't really like...

But I read the blog post that this thread title references and I gotta say...

I think it's a really intelligent write-up.

Sure, some people may get offended by the one-liners out of context, but if you read the blog post in its entirety, I think it makes a great point and is actually FOR the industry more than it is against.
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Coelocanth: I believe they have a plan, actually. When they get people used to the idea of streaming they'll stop selling physical copies of movies/tv shows. Then the streaming model will switch from subscription of X amount per month/year to a charge every time you watch the show/movie. In the end the consumer will be held hostage to the delivery mechanism and will end up paying more overall than they do today. Of course, maybe I'm just being paranoid...
The RIAA, MPAA and Hollywood have wanted for years where you consume their goods in the same way as you do hot dogs at a rodeo and pizza and popcorn at the theater: Pay per view. They don't want you to own any of it, because then they can charge you for each time you view it.

And you know what, you never did own any of it to begin with. You don't buy a DVD of the three amigos and own the rights to the movie and can share and copy as you want. No you have the right to the disc that loans you the rights to use it temporarily, usually until the disc goes bad; They enjoy putting that big F**KING BLUE FBI WARNING IN SEVEN LANGUAGES up to remind you that you that your renting the rights to use the disc.. Games and software you have temporary permission through a license that says how you should and should not use it. Naturally it's all in this long complex legal talk so no one reads it, and no one follows it. Quite often the software says you can only have one copy of something running at a time like an OS or Office, and you'd probably have it set up in every computer in your house.

The solution to that is to make sure that they have frequent major releases regularly that you have to fully re-buy the entire thing in order to get the money they think they are entitled to (but may or may not be able to prove).

Disney also is guilty of this... How many versions of the little mermaid have come out? How many times do you think they will keep milking the same franchises? If they weren't so damn big and with hotels and theme parks and a dozen sub-companies they would be following the same route as CapCom...

And if i keep going i'll be ranting for the next few hours... better stop now...
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Starmaker: Yet another dumbass who thinks "telling what you really think" should necessarily equal "being a shithead". Because, apparently, people can't be effortlessly nice as a general trend and they can't be effortlessly nice due to feeling fine right now - nooo, they're just cowardly douches (deserving scorn), while the actual douches are honest brave and deserve praise.
He's getting no sympathy from me too. There's a difference between not wanting to be a doormat, and being rude, obnoxious and taking your anger out on others, especially your customers? Ridiculous. There are men and women in worse off circumstances than him, and I don't see them acting like the world owes them everything, just because life isn't working out well, and things have been terrible.

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fronzelneekburm: Steam is toxic because their sales have devalued indie games.

Humble is toxic because it helps devaluing indie games even further (Thumbs up for every dumbass dev that offers their game on launch day in a Bundle at the 1 cent tier! How stupid can you be?).

And yet, they blame it on the customer. They're saying "YOU are worthless to us!", not "Please DO NOT vote for us on Greenlight, that shit is bad!". I still don't get why devs are so hell bent on getting on a service that gradually makes the indie scene cut its own throat. Is it for the added exposure? Doesn't seem to be helping them any.
Now, this isn't about you saying this, but my opinion on this sentiment. I believe Steam does work for the most part. Creating games on it's own doesn't sell. You need marketing attached to it. And if you don't know what you are doing, the expense is hideous to say the least. Steam, no matter how little or more you make, is direct profit, after their 30% cut. And also, in different markets, especially this, there is the price that the market will bear.

Some developers, after a release on steam, saw more profit than they ever did, when marketing on their own. However, after time passes, their product simply disappears into oblivion, till they slap a sale on it, and trot it out again in front of players eyeballs with a sale sign. If they are doing this for a living, they'd need a steady influx of cash to meet expenses and for a paycheck.

Unless, they are astronomically famous like Starbound, which netted 20 million in profit. They could shut down their early access game, and just retire modestly on that. For bundles, I remembered the rep for the studio which created Cognition once saying, that the idea (for them) was not to make money, but as part of a marketing and branding strategy. I wouldn't know about that now, but there is that.

Overall, I feel it's misguided to blame it all on the platform, the sales pricing..etc.. A big part is the overall market perception of a given game or games in general. Just business, I suppose.
Post edited August 19, 2014 by Nicole28
Puppy Games, because you're worthless.
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Coelocanth: I believe they have a plan, actually. When they get people used to the idea of streaming they'll stop selling physical copies of movies/tv shows. Then the streaming model will switch from subscription of X amount per month/year to a charge every time you watch the show/movie. In the end the consumer will be held hostage to the delivery mechanism and will end up paying more overall than they do today. Of course, maybe I'm just being paranoid...
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rtcvb32: You don't buy a DVD of the three amigos and own the rights to the movie and can share and copy as you want. No you have the right to the disc that loans you the rights to use it temporarily, usually until the disc goes bad;
No, but that's still a hell of a lot better than downloadable content. Not only is copying and sharing the copy (you can actually share the original) still illegal-even if not restricted-you're ability to transfer your license is gone. So if you buy The Three Amigos and you think it's the worst movie ever made you're just stuck with it.

Also, technically copying for personal use is legal (in the US at least) but circumventing the copy protection isn't. Personally, I think that MY (read: individual) legal rights should take priority over a corporations, but that's not how it goes usually.
Post edited August 19, 2014 by rayden54
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Starmaker: Yet another dumbass who thinks "telling what you really think" should necessarily equal "being a shithead". Because, apparently, people can't be effortlessly nice as a general trend and they can't be effortlessly nice due to feeling fine right now - nooo, they're just cowardly douches (deserving scorn), while the actual douches are honest brave and deserve praise.

That's completely assbackwards.

And nothing of value was lost.
Well yeah. Ego dictates that you're the heroic protagonist of your own narrative.

That said, the problem with people who think people who are general assholes are "cool" or "edgy," is that if you're a dick, people are free and clear to be a dick back. End of discussion. If someone treats me like shit, guess what I'm gonna do? Treat them like shit. It's basic human relation function. You don't get to behave badly, then cry foul when people return the favor, or worse, when someone wants to escalate the situation even further.

Guys like Phil Fish generally DESERVE to be treated poorly, in my opinion.
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rtcvb32: And if i keep going i'll be ranting for the next few hours... better stop now...
Testify, brother! You're preaching to the choir. :)