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darrel: Right.. Government is looking out for us... Sureeeeeee... Just keep your Gov and your drugs and your forced compliance away from me and mine and we have no problem....
Oh, crud. I just realized something....those tin-foil hats you make to keep the CIA mind rays from making you do things is probably manufactured by 'Big Alum." Oh well, you were so close to 'true' freedom..
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shane-o: statistics are rubbish
Incorrect. Statistics aren't rubbish. The people who use it erroneously then paint their findings as truth, however, are rubbish.
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darrel: Right.. Government is looking out for us... Sureeeeeee... Just keep your Gov and your drugs and your forced compliance away from me and mine and we have no problem....
Darwin should take care of you and yours, no problem.
Post edited September 04, 2011 by stonebro
What the... wow... I thought I'm speaking to adults on this forum, but I see there are so many nanny state fans, I'm just talking to big children only? This world is reaching its end.

And even saying "Govt. wants to take care of us" ... Oh my...

No wonder why world's economy is about to collapse.
Post edited September 04, 2011 by keeveek
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keeveek: What the... wow... I thought I'm speaking to adults on this forum, but I see there are so many nanny state fans, I'm just talking to big children only? This world is reaching its end.

And even saying "Govt. wants to take care of us" ... Oh my...

No wonder why world's economy is about to collapse.
I think that was meant to be sarcastic.

There's nothing wrong with a government that actually takes care of its people as all governments are built upon the consent of the people. However, the trouble is finding an ideal government that guarantees that the basic needs of its citizens are met such as protection from violence from within and without.

By the way, you and I live in Poland. Is our government a nanny government or is it a kleptocracy? Because I sure as hell don't see our Donald Duck Tusk doing anything but running a very long re-election campaign :D.
Post edited September 04, 2011 by JudasIscariot
And you say that Norwegian and Swedish folks also meant that? Really? Phew... *his heart rate is dropping to normal*
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keeveek: And you say that Norwegian and Swedish folks also meant that? Really? Phew... *his heart rate is dropping to normal*
Well I don't know the Norwegian and Swedish mindsets enough to confirm but I can definitely say that the US posters might :D.
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deavir: Good statistics is like good science, there is really no difference. Luckily a lot of statisticians work in public health so one bad apple messing with numbers and using misleading methods would be caught pretty quick. Statisticians know the tricks used, honestly they are not that hard to catch unless they fabricate the data itself.

Any doubt you have with vaccines benefit should be cleared with history. We don't use the smallpox vaccine anymore due to benefit/risk going the other way. I'm hoping the same will happen to polio in our lifetime, and maybe measles. One of the best things you can do for doctors and healthcare is take something out of the differential.
You say the tricks aren't that hard to catch. Maybe for people like you and I, but the general public are typically mindless sheeple or don't care. This is not a discussion point

Also, you still misunderstand me. I am not against vaccines and I know they do good and have benefits. I've stated this earlier
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stonebro: Incorrect. Statistics aren't rubbish. The people who use it erroneously then paint their findings as truth, however, are rubbish.
This has already been both answered and agreed with by myself and another after that particular post. Basically, that was the reason why I said statistics are rubbish. Read further :)
Well, in Poland some socialist scumbag before every election says "I will give a laptop to every child in school", and he gets around 15% every year.

Some other dude says every year "We will give you monies, guys!" And next year he rises the taxes. He gets 50% of the votes.

Some another guy says "Russian lasers killed my brother in Tupolew" and he gets around 30%.
People are stupid. Only several percentage of people understand how the economy works, from where benefits come from, etc etc. so political propaganda works.
Many people are afraid what would happen without government. Because they wouldn't know what to do unless someone told them.
And, for example, recently Belgium existed without a govt. for around half of year. And people were happy about the fact.
Post edited September 04, 2011 by keeveek
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keeveek: [...] People are stupid. Only several percentage of people understand how the economy works, from where benefits come from, etc etc. so political propaganda works.
Many people are afraid what would happen without government. Because they wouldn't know what to do unless someone told them. [...]
+1 rep for these points :D
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shane-o: but the general public are typically mindless sheeple or don't care. This is not a discussion point
Incredible how people talking on forum on the Internet are always NOT part of the mindless sheeple. Guess you have to look quite a bit to find said mindless sheeple.

And keeveek, I suppose you vote for the 15% left, right ? You are so much superior to the rest of the people after all.
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keeveek: Well, in Poland some socialist scumbag before every election says "I will give a laptop to every child in school", and he gets around 15% every year.

Some other dude says every year "We will give you monies, guys!" And next year he rises the taxes. He gets 50% of the votes.

Some another guy says "Russian lasers killed my brother in Tupolew" and he gets around 30%.
People are stupid. Only several percentage of people understand how the economy works, from where benefits come from, etc etc. so political propaganda works.
Many people are afraid what would happen without government. Because they wouldn't know what to do unless someone told them.
And, for example, recently Belgium existed without a govt. for around half of year. And people were happy about the fact.
Russia has lasers now?? I always hear the Potato (Kartofel) talking about something called "hel"(co to jest ten "hel"? Jakas chemia?) and artificial fog.

If the government were to fall today the only change in my routine would be to not go to work and arming myself against the bands of possible menel looters going apeshit on everything that contained any trace of metal :D.
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keeveek: What the... wow... I thought I'm speaking to adults on this forum, but I see there are so many nanny state fans, I'm just talking to big children only? This world is reaching its end.

And even saying "Govt. wants to take care of us" ... Oh my...

No wonder why world's economy is about to collapse.
No kidding. People can't seem to remember that large govt is dangerous and has been shown to be throughout history. Now is not any different. If I want my kids to have a few vaccinations thats cool as long as they are independently verified to be safe. But the US leads the world in the most vaccinations, its like 26 now I think. Thats a heavy load on immune systems that are already compromised by industrial chemicals and other environmental toxins (including heavy antibiotic use).

This caring govt doesn't believe you have the right to know your food is genetically modified. A govt that has no problem dropping agent orange on villages, using depleted uranium bullets and averaging a major war every 20 years. Now it's like every 10 years or so and usually based upon lies and deceit. A govt entirely corrupted by big business influence, lobbyists and international banksters.

A govt large enough to take care of your every need is large enough to fuck you over hardcore. The people who cry tin foil hats need to read a damn history book before trying to attack and ridicule other peoples views. They are the ones who will gladly give up their guns to the govt and then cry when street mobs attack and they are defenseless. The more power you give to the govt the less you have and it has always been that way.
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BlazeKING: snip
As someone who finds life in Sweden to be highly enjoyable, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on most of your points in the third paragraph.