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F4LL0UT: I have yet to meet the person who claims that the difference is so clearly audible and doesn't fail when his amazing hearing is put to a test in a blind experiment. :P
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nightrunner227: Yeah, I can't tell the difference at all. I'm sure some can, though.
Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

When I've gone back to some really old mp3's from way back 'in-the-day' (90's, Napster, 56k modem) most of my mp3 library sounds like crap, mostly due to the technologies available at the time. I notice an unusually large amount of "pops" in a lot of songs and a 128k rip sounds more flat than a new 128k rip (both sound terrible regardless). Anybody who knows how data is written to a disc would know that bits do get lost over time.

I'm an arrogant, elitist, analog snob with 2 vintage hifi systems (1 solid state/1 tube based) that can expose every imperfection in an mp3 file. It absolutely cracks me up when people think their crappy OEM soundcard, crappy best buy cables, and crappy desktop speakers are suitable benchmarks for judging sound quality.

It's pathetic how nowadays people have allowed themselves to compromise quality over convenience and cost.
Post edited July 07, 2014 by Crosmando
Awesome! I love flac.
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Crosmando: Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

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Anybody who knows how data is written to a disc would know that bits do get lost over time.
Not sure if serious...
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Crosmando: Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

{snip}

Anybody who knows how data is written to a disc would know that bits do get lost over time.
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JMich: Not sure if serious...
http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=77913
You just had to spoil it
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JMich: Not sure if serious...
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JudasIscariot: http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=77913
Ah, thank you. That's what I get for not caring about audio ;)
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Crosmando: You just had to spoil it
Use actual facts instead of ED copypasta and I won't spoil the fun :)

"Rotational velocidensity" indeed :P
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JMich: Ah, thank you. That's what I get for not caring about audio ;)
You're welcome :)
Post edited July 07, 2014 by JudasIscariot
FLAC is the best choice! Demand FLACs! :)

And after that don't forget to thank GOG for bringing them :>
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Crosmando: It absolutely cracks me up when people think their crappy OEM soundcard, crappy best buy cables, and crappy desktop speakers are suitable benchmarks for judging sound quality.
Thanks for the laugh, first time seeing that trolling theme. And many thanks to Judas for explaining.

But I'd like to point that the part I quoted is actually true. I can't expect to actually hear the difference with my on-board soundcard and 15 year-old value-buy speakers. So while it's nice to deflate elitist myths, it's not really useful to dismiss everything regarding quality. Both of the extremes are equally deluded and smug.

By the way, it's really frustrating that my old cheapass speakers are markedly better than new $120 Logitech set. I would expect new technologies to make cheap speaker sets of better quality than a decade before... Silly me.
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JudasIscariot: So far it's these 3 offenders:

Jack Orlando
Knights and Merchants
Two Worlds
DESPERADOS: WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE
Disciples II
Heroes 4
Jade Empire
KKND 1
MDK2
Mob Rule

Two Worlds's OST is quite odd as it shows portions of it hitting the 22 KHz barrier but it's nothing compared to Earth 2140's FLAC OSTso I removed the Two Worlds FLAC OST.

edit: posted the full list of offending FLAC tracks removed. If you happenacross anymore of them, let me know but I think that's all the bad ones :)
Thanks very much for doing all of this work JudasIscariot, and especially with the focus on quality over quantity!
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SLP2000: Please let us know which FLAC soundtracks were removed.
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JudasIscariot: So far it's these 3 offenders:

Jack Orlando
Knights and Merchants
Two Worlds
DESPERADOS: WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE
Disciples II
Heroes 4
Jade Empire
KKND 1
MDK2
Mob Rule

Two Worlds's OST is quite odd as it shows portions of it hitting the 22 KHz barrier but it's nothing compared to Earth 2140's FLAC OSTso I removed the Two Worlds FLAC OST.

edit: posted the full list of offending FLAC tracks removed. If you happenacross anymore of them, let me know but I think that's all the bad ones :)
You also removed Disciples 1. I assume you forgot to list it here.
MaGog's list is here: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_what_did_just_update_thread/post3301.
Post edited July 07, 2014 by mrkgnao
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JudasIscariot: So far it's these 3 offenders:

Jack Orlando
Knights and Merchants
Two Worlds
DESPERADOS: WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE
Disciples II
Heroes 4
Jade Empire
KKND 1
MDK2
Mob Rule

Two Worlds's OST is quite odd as it shows portions of it hitting the 22 KHz barrier but it's nothing compared to Earth 2140's FLAC OSTso I removed the Two Worlds FLAC OST.

edit: posted the full list of offending FLAC tracks removed. If you happenacross anymore of them, let me know but I think that's all the bad ones :)
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mrkgnao: You also removed Disciples 1. I assume you forgot to list it here.
MaGog's list is here: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_what_did_just_update_thread/post3301.
I think I might've forgotten to list it, yes. Sorry about that :)

I was copy pasting names into notepad and I forgot one :)
Post edited July 07, 2014 by JudasIscariot
Am I the only one who thinks FLAC is a waste of Harddrive space? If you want true quality demand to get it printed on vinyl!
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nightrunner227: Yeah, I can't tell the difference at all. I'm sure some can, though.
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Crosmando: Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

When I've gone back to some really old mp3's from way back 'in-the-day' (90's, Napster, 56k modem) most of my mp3 library sounds like crap, mostly due to the technologies available at the time. I notice an unusually large amount of "pops" in a lot of songs and a 128k rip sounds more flat than a new 128k rip (both sound terrible regardless). Anybody who knows how data is written to a disc would know that bits do get lost over time.

I'm an arrogant, elitist, analog snob with 2 vintage hifi systems (1 solid state/1 tube based) that can expose every imperfection in an mp3 file. It absolutely cracks me up when people think their crappy OEM soundcard, crappy best buy cables, and crappy desktop speakers are suitable benchmarks for judging sound quality.

It's pathetic how nowadays people have allowed themselves to compromise quality over convenience and cost.
Is this for real? Like, is that an actual thing?
I am not too familiar with audio formats.

EDIT: It appears it is not. Now I just feel silly >.<
Post edited July 07, 2014 by CthuluIsSpy
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Crosmando: Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

When I've gone back to some really old mp3's from way back 'in-the-day' (90's, Napster, 56k modem) most of my mp3 library sounds like crap, mostly due to the technologies available at the time. I notice an unusually large amount of "pops" in a lot of songs and a 128k rip sounds more flat than a new 128k rip (both sound terrible regardless). Anybody who knows how data is written to a disc would know that bits do get lost over time.

I'm an arrogant, elitist, analog snob with 2 vintage hifi systems (1 solid state/1 tube based) that can expose every imperfection in an mp3 file. It absolutely cracks me up when people think their crappy OEM soundcard, crappy best buy cables, and crappy desktop speakers are suitable benchmarks for judging sound quality.

It's pathetic how nowadays people have allowed themselves to compromise quality over convenience and cost.
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CthuluIsSpy: Is this for real? Like, is that an actual thing?
I am not too familiar with audio formats.
It's a troll copypasta :)