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Posted June 15, 2013
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spindown: Are you talking about losing access to your games when you get banned? If so, you're wrong. TheEnigmaticT has stated that although some people have been banned from the forums, no GOG user has ever lost access to the games they've paid for.
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Elenarie: I was referring to the actual account that holds transaction and purchase records and similar crap. For example, if I use a stole CC to buy games from here, pretty sure the whole account will be banned, and not just the forum one.
Well, that's clearly a very different situation. You don't actually "buy" anything if you use a stolen credit card. I'm pretty sure F1ach was thinking about situations where users lose access to legitimate purchases.
Posted June 15, 2013
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Gersen: But even if that happen nothing will happen to the games you already downloaded, they won't stop working 24 hours later. That kind of make a huge difference.
That is true, no arguing about that. My point being, the account still gets locked, but here because the games do not have an active DRM system, can still be used. However! If you have not downloaded a game, and an account gets banned, you will not have access to that game.

... not sure which other arguments to give to separate the DRM and account, things can be turned to be "positive" to both sides of this discussion, and honestly, this is stepping into the "games are DRMed!" discussion that I'd like to avoid. :)

Also, it is not different than I'd say most of the account-based services that are available out there, so personally I don't understand what the big fuss is about.
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spindown: ...
If that is what by banned you were referring to, then okay, I can't think of a way to get your GOG account banned, if the social / forum features are separate from the billing / account features.

... perhaps by sharing your account to multiple people publicly?
Post edited June 15, 2013 by Elenarie
Posted June 15, 2013
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F1ach: HOLY PHUQ!!!!

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

TL:DR

If you are banned from XBOX Live you lose all your games and licences.

SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEY!1!1!11ELEVENTYONE!11
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Fictionvision: As bad as this system is turning out to be, the support person got it wrong here. They clarified later on that this was referring to the 360.

https://twitter.com/xboxsupport1/status/345775684045660160

Even then they aren't correct as you can still play offline if your account gets banned. It has been this way since from the start I think as I looked into it before buying a 360 and got that answer.

I'd hope for the Xbox One they would do the same, but we likely won't know for sure until the system is out and someone gets banned.
Are you sure, because the question clearly states XB1

Mark Doherty‏@dohertymark13 Jun @XboxSupport If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?
Posted June 15, 2013
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F1ach: Are you sure, because the question clearly states XB1

Mark Doherty‏@dohertymark13 Jun @XboxSupport If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?
It seems so from the link I posted.

@amigocesar We have no info on the Xbox One ban situation. The Tweet that is being referenced was a mistake, it was about Xbox 360. ^CW

I would guess at this point support doesn't know. I do think this will end up being a mess at some point later on, but it seems like Microsoft is still trying to get all this stuff sorted.


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Elenarie: You do realise that your oh so precious GOG works the same way, right?
No it isn't the same for several reasons.

Your GOG account isn't going to get a ban because of things like a group of idiots thought it would be funny to say you harassed them in game and the report slips by as valid. Or because Microsoft thinks your home town is offensive.

It was stated around here before that if you do get a GOG account ban that you are given some time to download your games. With Microsoft if the game isn't already on your 360 you won't be able to get it again.

Even if you don't want to talk about DRM, the fact remains that your games will still work on any PC you wish. Even multi player games that you got a key for from GOG will still work. Storage is cheap enough now a days there is little excuse to not back your stuff up.
Posted June 15, 2013
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F1ach: HOLY PHUQ!!!!

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

TL:DR

If you are banned from XBOX Live you lose all your games and licences.

SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEY!1!1!11ELEVENTYONE!11
It is extremely bad, but they aren't the only ones who do that. Owners of suspended Steam accounts can't access their games either. Probably most of the digital stores are like that.
Posted June 15, 2013
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F1ach: Are you sure, because the question clearly states XB1

Mark Doherty‏@dohertymark13 Jun @XboxSupport If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?
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Fictionvision: It seems so from the link I posted.

@amigocesar We have no info on the Xbox One ban situation. The Tweet that is being referenced was a mistake, it was about Xbox 360. ^CW

I would guess at this point support doesn't know. I do think this will end up being a mess at some point later on, but it seems like Microsoft is still trying to get all this stuff sorted.

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Elenarie: You do realise that your oh so precious GOG works the same way, right?
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Fictionvision: No it isn't the same for several reasons.

Your GOG account isn't going to get a ban because of things like a group of idiots thought it would be funny to say you harassed them in game and the report slips by as valid. Or because Microsoft thinks your home town is offensive.

It was stated around here before that if you do get a GOG account ban that you are given some time to download your games. With Microsoft if the game isn't already on your 360 you won't be able to get it again.

Even if you don't want to talk about DRM, the fact remains that your games will still work on any PC you wish. Even multi player games that you got a key for from GOG will still work. Storage is cheap enough now a days there is little excuse to not back your stuff up.
Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification :)
Posted June 15, 2013
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Elenarie: You do realise that your oh so precious GOG works the same way, right?
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spindown: Are you talking about losing access to your games when you get banned? If so, you're wrong. TheEnigmaticT has stated that although some people have been banned from the forums, no GOG user has ever lost access to the games they've paid for.
actually I recall TET or another member of GOG staff saying that they did just that but it was to a few people who were pirating the games they got here and even unapologetically admitted to it, if memory serves. So technically it has happened but it was obviously a very extreme case
Posted June 15, 2013
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Aver: It is extremely bad, but they aren't the only ones who do that. Owners of suspended Steam accounts can't access their games either. Probably most of the digital stores are like that.
They've stopped disabling accounts more than a year ago.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=30324377&postcount=50

Their accounts are not banned but locked. You can access you game library and play games. Some online functions may not work if they are tied to steamworks. You can't purchase games, send gifts, use forums... etc.
Posted June 15, 2013
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F1ach: HOLY PHUQ!!!!

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

TL:DR

If you are banned from XBOX Live you lose all your games and licences.

SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEY!1!1!11ELEVENTYONE!11
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Elmofongo: Even EA at least let you play your games offline on Origin if you were "Banned"
That is the single strongest argument against software clients and why Steam, Origin, and now MS can take their DRM, fold it up into a neat little package, and shove it straight up their ass. This is why people pirate games, this is one of the reasons they list.
Post edited June 15, 2013 by scampywiak
Posted June 15, 2013
Major Nelson did an interview here and the second question was if you get banned will you lose access to your games and he said no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M
Posted June 15, 2013
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Fictionvision: Or because Microsoft thinks your home town is offensive.
What the... well that's just stupid.
Posted June 16, 2013
they are really not doing them selves any favours lately.
Posted June 17, 2013
http://pastebin.com/TpuMDSjv
Posted June 17, 2013
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Elmofongo: Even EA at least let you play your games offline on Origin if you were "Banned"
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scampywiak: That is the single strongest argument against software clients and why Steam, Origin, and now MS can take their DRM, fold it up into a neat little package, and shove it straight up their ass. This is why people pirate games, this is one of the reasons they list.
did you not read silviucc's post above you? Steam doesn't disable accounts anymore. They let people play their games offline. Same goes for Origin.
Posted June 17, 2013
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StingingVelvet: I know he can't say "well we have to check to make sure you own your games," as that would be a bad PR quote
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real.geizterfahr: As if "Stick with the 360 if you don't have internet" or "If you’re backwards compatible, you’re really backwards" and "Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends" weren't bad PR quotes...

They could have said that games on XBox One rely heavily on cloud based features. There's Forza 5 (a racing game), for example, where the AI will copy the driving styles of other players. The AI evovles through the input of millions of players. They could have highlighted it, because that's something really awesome. Okay, probably not for a racing game, since we don't want the AI turning into a crash kid. But imagine that in other games. A shooter with a few really challenging enemies instead of those typical cannon fodder enemies, coming in wave after wave just to get headshot after headshot, not recognizing that it's a stupid idea to stand still on an open field, or, the other extreme, hide behind a box until the player comes to kill them with a knife.

The evolving AI is something everyone understands, because current AI (or: the lack of AI) is something that nearly everyone is complaining about. Tell people that servers can calculate better AI, that can adapt to your playstyle. That's awesome and a real feature. If I want messaging, I turn on my PC or tablet and not my video console. I don't want to chat with a controller. It's not a feature, it's a bug.
That'd be actually be pretty cool, would make me care more about Microsoft's "cloud magic" spiel.
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Fictionvision: Or because Microsoft thinks your home town is offensive.
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Elenarie: What the... well that's just stupid.
By the looks of Inbetweener's Road Trip: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1348742/The-Inbetweeners-Rude-Road-Trip-Sally-Pusseys-Inn-North-Piddle.html
residents of the UK will suffer as well :P
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jamyskis: And yet it was precisely these features that the Hammer Legion were using to defend the supposed necessity of Steam when that became a topic of discussion, even though XFire had been offering friends/messaging/matchmaking and even automatic updates years before.
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StingingVelvet: Yeah.

Steam offers a ton of benefits but none of them require the DRM, as the list of DRM free games on Steam should prove. People just defend it because they don't care. I admit I care very little on PC, because the PC platform makes it easy to circumvent the DRM if we ever need to.

Can't say that for Xbox One.
Xbox One users can circumvent the DRM-it's called buying a PS4 :P
If the last-gen is anything to go by, the similarities in game choices meant there was little need to buy the other for the majority of games.
Post edited June 17, 2013 by McDon
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